<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">If OI is to follow FreeBSD's engineering releases, which I think is optimal, then for example:<br><br>OI 152a1 would be qualified as a -current because it is experimental and will be the next major branch. Or this could be 160a1, but I'm not sure there is any new development in OI that would qualify for such a large change.<br><br>OI 151a8 would be qualified as the next -stable (/dev repo) because it is in the 151 branch of releases. What goes into here is for the next minor release. FreeBSD 9.x branch gets 9.1, 9.2, etc.<br><br><div><span>OI 151r1 would be the first -release of the 151a7 -stable.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>But is there enough of a development staff to maintain something like this? Apparently, /experimental, /dev, and the never released foreverware was supposed to be this model, but it fell through. If there isn't staff available, then maybe /dev should stay that way "forever" and just keep getting bumped to a8, a9, a10, etc., and /hipster can stay out there for those who prefer to track that repo. <br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I wouldn't see a problem for this aforementioned because as I mentioned,
there won't likely be any new technologies added to OI, such as, ZFS encryption that would say "bump me to a 152 release."<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Christopher Chan <christopher.chan@bradbury.edu.hk><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> oi-dev@openindiana.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight:
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On Friday, July 12, 2013 09:47 PM, ken mays wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good points. So, a major question: Is /dev
good enough for /release promotion?</div>
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beforehand?</div>
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should be the -current like FreeBSD<br>
/dev should be -stable like FreeBSD<br>
/release or /stable should be -RELEASE like
FreeBSD<br>
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/hipster can keep having its breakage, that is
fine. But what I'd see is /dev get illumos-gate
updates and tested and when no problems are found
and it is stable, then get promoted to /release,
and keep this cycle.<br>
<br>
Thus, /dev and /release will be sunstudio, but I
don't know how one can get /hipster promoted to
/dev because of gcc.<br>
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I guess it could be that /hipster always stays out
there as a -current while /dev and /release stay
with sunstudio because right now /dev is most
rock-solid and that should not be taken away.
While /hipster has newer packages available, if
someone is on /dev or /release there are other
options rather than trying to get what is in
/hipster. <a target="_blank" href="http://opencsw.org/">opencsw.org</a> has many current packages
available, so anyone using /dev and /release can
get them from opencsw.org.<br>
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<div>Agreed.</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">I'd
suggest the same for the '07/2013
RELEASE' to at least update /dev
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">to
the current "approved" /hipster
Illumos-gate snapshot before pushing
to /release.</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">You
could respin the oi_151a7 ISO with
that recent Illumos_gate snapshot so
people can still test the
Illumos_gate snapshot for current
issues. (oi_151a7.1)<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">The
/hipster oi-userland changes should
get pushed to /dev from that point
with the same snapshot of
Illumos_gate from /release. You then
update the Illumos builds from that
point of reference.</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Example:</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">/release=
/dev<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Illumos_gate_47f42be153c1
+</div>
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oi_151a7 (old /dev repo)<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">new
/dev = /hipster<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Illumos_gate_47f42be153c1
+ <br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">OI-JDS_2b18d0590968
+<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">oi-userland
(s12_26)<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">(whatever
else)<br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">~
Ken Mays<br>
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Piotr Jasiukajtis
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I think an updated illumos-gate
packages should go into oi_151a7
first, because of NFS related
BUG fix #2986. <br>
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Udo
Grabowski (IMK) <<a href="" rel="nofollow">udo.grabowski@kit.edu</a>>
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> On 11/07/2013 18:53,
Alasdair Lumsden wrote:<br>
>> ....<br>
>> I do think that /dev
should get moved to /release,
and /hipster should go to<br>
>> /dev. Not many know
about hipster beyond the oi-dev
list. It would show people<br>
>> in the outside world
that progress is being made on
OI.A<br>
> > ...<br>
> <br>
> But at that point, there
should be provided a way to
switch<br>
> current people on /dev to
/release, surely most do not
want<br>
> to be exposed to hipster...<br>
> And that seems not to be
trivial, probably it needs a
bump<br>
> to a new release number.<br>
> Personally I think this
switch should be done now on the<br>
> base of a7 (sunstudio
compiled, with maybe a few
couple of<br>
> known stable fixes), as
hipster is currently going
sidewards<br>
> with all the changes to
gcc, it will probably not
stabilize<br>
> within the next two months,
and a7 is mostly rock stable<br>
> (with a few user visible
problems due to the png12
<--> png14<br>
> hassles).<br>
> <br>
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