<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server">
<!-- converted from text --><style><!-- .EmailQuote { margin-left: 1pt; padding-left: 4pt; border-left: #800000 2px solid; } --></style>
</head>
<body>
<div class="PlainText">gparted is a moot point anyway - if one is knowledgeable enough to dual-boot, one should know "diskpart shrink".
<br>
<br>
Chavdar <br>
<br>
--- Original Message ---<br>
<br>
From: "Garrett D'Amore" <garrett@damore.org><br>
Sent: 22 July 2014 19:22<br>
To: "Nikola M." <minikola@gmail.com><br>
Cc: "OpenIndiana Developer mailing list" <oi-dev@openindiana.org>, "illumos-dev" <developer@lists.illumos.org><br>
Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Fwd: [developer] Please review 4989 - BIS<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Btw, VirtualBox works on many platforms -- there it support for Windows, Mac, Linux, Solaris, and illumos hosts. It supports the same operating systems as guests. I don't think its quite up to the same performance and integration standards
as VMware, but its not far off either; I do have a Mac mini that runs VirtualBox to occasionally boot up Windows, and it works fine. (Couldn't justify a VMware license for the minimal use case there -- I use that system to run my R/C flight simulator.)</div>
<div class="x_gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Nikola M. via illumos-developer
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:developer@lists.illumos.org" target="_blank">developer@lists.illumos.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On 07/22/14 05:11 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
ntfs-3g doesn't depend on ntfsprogs.<br>
<br>
I'd not heard that GParted wasn't supported on illumos, although I'm not terribly surprised. These days, dual boot seems to be infrequently used -- long since supplanted by use of virtualization technology (which is lots easier for everyone to use.)<br>
<br>
Does anyone within reach of this email still use dual boot systems? (Hmm... I had been doing so as recently as two years ago, and I still have one system that is configured that way, but I've not booted 'the other system' in a very long time indeed.)<br>
<br>
GParted was introduced to facilitate having users try out OpenSolaris on their laptops running Windows. It was seen as a key enabler for those masses of low income students in China that ponytail was so intent on luring with the desktop focus Sun had just
prior to its acquisition by Oracle. Its unclear that the strategy had even small amounts of success in that regard; VirtualBox was a much better approach IMO.<br>
<br>
If OI/hipster are prepared for this change, then I think it can proceed.<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
OI is not prepared for this change untill parted and gparted are put inside OI to serve it's users like they used to. (Would also thing other distros should be informed about is at least) If Gparted and parted are not illumos problem anymore, then don't let
there be more problems for users.<br>
<br>
Also, if there were not 'ponytail', we probably won't have Opensolaris and therefore, illumos.<br>
<br>
And yes I am using laptop in dual-boot that had windows first installed. (an old laptop now but that should improve) Probably next laptop will be same configured if not triple booted with Linux. And no, I am not Chinese if that matters...<br>
And yes it is crucial to give to people CD (or point them to USB image) and say: You have everything you need to install it in dual-boot without touching your current system to get know with the platform.<br>
Someone thinking that dual-boot is not important - is problem of perspective with interacting with New people.<br>
<br>
VirtualBox on illumos only works with OI. VirtualBox till recently was known for being slow for compiling illumos inside of it, maybe now is faster?<br>
<br>
Nonetheless, saying that people are using this and that should be backed up with some kind of research and<br>
my humble opinion is that Desktop/OI is important for illumos and removing things from illumos should be better coordinated (and explained).<br>
Yes, people will keep using dual-booting windows,Linux and I hope they would use OI to administer servers running on illumos distros.<br>
As I understand illumos exists to run on bare metal and provide VMs for other platforms and not other way around (What's new with illumos I/O drivers for KVM as a guest?)<br>
<br>
Saying to people not to run it on bare metal is not helping with defending platform market place as a whole and wide it's use base. And 'ponytail' was right on that.<br>
<br>
At the end of the day, best thing with OI Hipster is that it is using fresh build of updated illumos, and one using Openiindiana (Presumably running on laptop..) can in time observe things that affect users, kernel people don't care about.<br>
So they don't end up in messed up in a products users/customers would use.<br>
Last thing I witnessed is that Standby on my (dual-boot) laptop stopped working a while ago (it just locks with black screen and it used to work as far as March/2014 with no problem).<br>
<br>
nikolam
<div class="x_HOEnZb">
<div class="x_h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
------------------------------<u></u>-------------<br>
illumos-developer<br>
Archives: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182179/=now" target="_blank">
https://www.listbox.com/<u></u>member/archive/182179/=now</a><br>
RSS Feed: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182179/21239177-3604570e" target="_blank">
https://www.listbox.com/<u></u>member/archive/rss/182179/<u></u>21239177-3604570e</a><br>
Modify Your Subscription: <a href="https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21239177&id_secret=21239177-2d0c9337" target="_blank">
https://www.listbox.com/<u></u>member/?member_id=21239177&id_<u></u>secret=21239177-2d0c9337</a><br>
Powered by Listbox: <a href="http://www.listbox.com" target="_blank">http://www.listbox.com</a><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>