<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div><span style="font-size: 16px;">Hi Joerg,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 16px;">Then, the solution is easy. People should offer him 'payable work' before asking for HIS contributions.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal;
background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 16px;">Martin asked for donations for his contribution - people have the freedom not to pay him as well as not use his work.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">We pay bills to get provided services - but no payment means no services. How many established FOSS distro provides ask for</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">'payment'
for their supported distro versions made 98% from FOSS contributions???</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Some non-profit companies try to get funding since 'free work or trading' comes with a high utility overhead bill.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal;
background-color: transparent;">So if those asking for Martin's contributions won't make a donation to support his work - why should he do it???</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">People in the USA get paid $80/day to flip hamburgers and less to cut/trim/treat home lawns and wash vehicles...</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">He could easily update distros to Xnv 1.12.4 for both Schillix and OI in 1-2 days. Probably add in LibreOffice 4.1.3 and other software,</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">many things not 'maintained' consistently by most existing Illumos-based distros. Oh, and port over the Xorg Intel/Radeon drivers.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color:
transparent;">Many work projects 'not existing' today for OI or even Solaris 11.x. Many good contributions. Everybody wins.....</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">~K</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><br></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:35 AM, Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">ken mays via oi-dev <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oi-dev@openindiana.org" href="mailto:oi-dev@openindiana.org">oi-dev@openindiana.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> As for
Martin, he did provide source for his initial releases and was going to make the latest patches available.<br clear="none">> He pretty much told others what he was doing to solve various issues and even where he was picking up some ideas and code. This was posted in a README and his blogs. Does he even have to spell it out for some people?!?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Yet, 'demanding' one give you something for FREE without supporting them or funding their work is very petty and fruitless.<br clear="none">> Case in point, the various websites of BSD/Linux/other OS distros (and many commercial websites) where this topic comes up to<br clear="none">> gain patched source code for FREE (when an 'open source' license is being enforced).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yes, Martin was even the only person that mentioned that his distro was based on <br clear="none">SchilliX.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">He did
a lot of interesting things and it would be a great value for the <br clear="none">community if he would offer his recent work for collaboration. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">His problem is that he likes to enforce payment for his work. This is not how <br clear="none">things work. You get payed if you do something that is of what a customer <br clear="none">demands. First doing work and then trying to enforce payment does not work.<br clear="none">I understand that his situation is not easy but OSS is givong away things for <br clear="none">free and get payed for other things.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I work for a research institute for living and thus I am free to work for <br clear="none">SchilliX in parts of my time. If I got a successful project, I may hire a <br clear="none">student for SchilliX, but then I would hire someone to work on the most urgent <br clear="none">goals and cannot pay Martin for something that has already been
done. I hope <br clear="none">that Martin will be able to get a job for living - the way others do too.<div class="yqt5460045622" id="yqtfd01698"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Jörg<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none"> EMail:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joerg@schily.net" href="mailto:joerg@schily.net">joerg@schily.net</a> (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de" href="mailto:joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de">joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de</a> (work) Blog: <a shape="rect" href="http://schily.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://schily.blogspot.com/</a><br clear="none"> URL: <a shape="rect" href="http://cdrecord.org/private/" target="_blank">http://cdrecord.org/private/ </a><a shape="rect"
href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/files/'" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/files/'</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>