[OpenIndiana-discuss] BAD WD drives - defective by design?
jmcentee at stirling-dynamics.com
Mon Aug 29 21:35:24 UTC 2011
the WD drives have a what WD call TLER, that is a setting that defines
how long the drive trys to read a bad sector before giving up at
returning an error. The raid edition does this almost instantly and the
RAID hardware / ZFS can then decide what to do. The non RAID edition
retries for a long time before returning and error which result in RAID
hardware and ZFS thinking the drive is dead an not responding at all.
Search google for WDTLER and download the windows program and see if it
allows your drive to be changed. I believe WD has stopped it working on
the latest cheap non RAID drives. For this resaon I by Hitachi, soon the
only choice will be the WD RAID or Seagate. I am trying to squeeze in
one last Hitachi upgrade to 3TB in at the moment.
On 29/08/2011 22:22, Rennie Allen wrote:
> I think Rich was suggesting using 4k sectors on the file system, not asking
> what the drives sector size was.
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk<roy at karlsbakk.net>wrote:
>> All drives have 512b sector sizes, WD FASS (blacks) and WD EADS (greens)
>> both use plain old 512 sectors.....
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> The drives are attached to a backplane?
>>> Try using 4k sector sizes and see if that improves it - I've seen and
>>> been part of a number of discussions which involved this - and you, I
>>> think, actually.
>>> - Rich
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
>>> <roy at karlsbakk.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>> It seems recent WD drives that aren't "Raid edition" can cause
>>>> rather a lot of problems on RAID systems. We have a few machines
>>>> with LSI controllers (6801/6081/9201) and we're seeing massive
>>>> errors occuring. The usual pattern is a drive failing or even a
>>>> resilver/scrub starting and then, suddenly, most drives on the whole
>>>> backplane report errors. These are usually No Device (as reported by
>>>> iostat -En), but the result is that we may see data corruption at
>>>> the end. We also have a system setup with Hitachi Deskstars, which
>>>> has been running for almost a year without issues. One system with a
>>>> mixture of WD Blacks and greens showed the same errors as described,
>>>> but has been working well after the WD drives were replaced by
>>>> Now, it seems WD has changed their firmware to inhibit people from
>>>> using them for other things than toys (read: PCs etc). Since we've
>>>> seen this issue on different controllers and different drives, and
>>>> can't reproduce it with Hitachi Deskstars, I would guess the
>>>> firmware "upgrade" from WD is the issue.
>>>> Would it be possible to fix this in ZFS somehow? The drives seem to
>>>> work well except for those "No Device" errors....
>>>> Vennlige hilsener / Best regards
>>>> Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
>>>> (+47) 97542685
>>>> roy at karlsbakk.net
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>> Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
>> (+47) 97542685
>> roy at karlsbakk.net
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