From marcel at telka.sk  Tue Feb  5 08:25:25 2019
From: marcel at telka.sk (Marcel Telka)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
Message-ID: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+


From alp at sfedu.ru  Tue Feb  5 09:13:54 2019
From: alp at sfedu.ru (Alexander Pyhalov)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:54 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
In-Reply-To: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
References: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
Message-ID: <AM6PR05MB6198D900DD03EE99583A39BACF6E0@AM6PR05MB6198.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, Marcel.
It's not intentional. I've contacted EC support yesterday, so far haven't received  detailed information on what is going on from them.

Best regards,
Alexander Pyhalov,
system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department



________________________________________
??: Marcel Telka <marcel at telka.sk>
??????????: 5 ??????? 2019 ?. 11:25:25
????: oi-dev at openindiana.org
????: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

--
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+

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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 11:36:10 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:36:10 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
Message-ID: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
before. Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'

0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T

That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.

Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
in the process of man page generation ?
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From peter.tribble at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 12:00:03 2019
From: peter.tribble at gmail.com (Peter Tribble)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:00:03 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
> like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
> before.


Try something like

man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc

to strip the formatting.


> Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
> in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
> 0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
> 0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
> That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
> Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
> sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
> Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
> in the process of man page generation ?
> --
> Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
> http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
> KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
> Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026
>
> _______________________________________________
> oi-dev mailing list
> oi-dev at openindiana.org
> https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev



-- 
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http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:27:20 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:27:20 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>     before.
>
>
> Try something like
>
> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>
> to strip the formatting.

Thanks, that really helps !

>
>
>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
>     Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
>     in the process of man page generation ?



-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:44:04 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:44:04 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <318a49d4-0d9d-77d4-c248-95130265e531@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:27, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
>> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>>     before.
>>
>>
>> Try something like
>>
>> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>>
>> to strip the formatting.
>
> Thanks, that really helps !
>
>>
>>
>>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>>
>>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>>
>>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>>

ok, not *that* useless, as overprinting via backspace seems to be
not only a common technique for printers to get bold characters,
but also gets interpreted by less and more in that way.
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From marcel at telka.sk  Tue Feb  5 08:25:25 2019
From: marcel at telka.sk (Marcel Telka)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
Message-ID: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+



From alp at sfedu.ru  Tue Feb  5 09:13:54 2019
From: alp at sfedu.ru (Alexander Pyhalov)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:54 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
In-Reply-To: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
References: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
Message-ID: <AM6PR05MB6198D900DD03EE99583A39BACF6E0@AM6PR05MB6198.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, Marcel.
It's not intentional. I've contacted EC support yesterday, so far haven't received  detailed information on what is going on from them.

Best regards,
Alexander Pyhalov,
system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department



________________________________________
??: Marcel Telka <marcel at telka.sk>
??????????: 5 ??????? 2019 ?. 11:25:25
????: oi-dev at openindiana.org
????: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

--
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+

_______________________________________________
oi-dev mailing list
oi-dev at openindiana.org
https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev



From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 11:36:10 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:36:10 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
Message-ID: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
before. Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'

0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T

That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.

Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
in the process of man page generation ?
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From peter.tribble at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 12:00:03 2019
From: peter.tribble at gmail.com (Peter Tribble)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:00:03 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
> like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
> before.


Try something like

man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc

to strip the formatting.


> Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
> in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
> 0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
> 0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
> That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
> Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
> sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
> Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
> in the process of man page generation ?
> --
> Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
> http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
> KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
> Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026
>
> _______________________________________________
> oi-dev mailing list
> oi-dev at openindiana.org
> https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev



-- 
-Peter Tribble
http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:27:20 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:27:20 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>     before.
>
>
> Try something like
>
> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>
> to strip the formatting.

Thanks, that really helps !

>
>
>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
>     Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
>     in the process of man page generation ?



-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:44:04 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:44:04 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <318a49d4-0d9d-77d4-c248-95130265e531@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:27, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
>> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>>     before.
>>
>>
>> Try something like
>>
>> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>>
>> to strip the formatting.
>
> Thanks, that really helps !
>
>>
>>
>>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>>
>>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>>
>>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>>

ok, not *that* useless, as overprinting via backspace seems to be
not only a common technique for printers to get bold characters,
but also gets interpreted by less and more in that way.
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From marcel at telka.sk  Tue Feb  5 08:25:25 2019
From: marcel at telka.sk (Marcel Telka)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
Message-ID: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+



From alp at sfedu.ru  Tue Feb  5 09:13:54 2019
From: alp at sfedu.ru (Alexander Pyhalov)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:54 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
In-Reply-To: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
References: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
Message-ID: <AM6PR05MB6198D900DD03EE99583A39BACF6E0@AM6PR05MB6198.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, Marcel.
It's not intentional. I've contacted EC support yesterday, so far haven't received  detailed information on what is going on from them.

Best regards,
Alexander Pyhalov,
system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department



________________________________________
??: Marcel Telka <marcel at telka.sk>
??????????: 5 ??????? 2019 ?. 11:25:25
????: oi-dev at openindiana.org
????: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

--
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+

_______________________________________________
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 11:36:10 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:36:10 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
Message-ID: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
before. Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'

0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T

That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.

Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
in the process of man page generation ?
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From peter.tribble at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 12:00:03 2019
From: peter.tribble at gmail.com (Peter Tribble)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:00:03 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
> like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
> before.


Try something like

man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc

to strip the formatting.


> Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
> in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
> 0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
> 0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
> That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
> Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
> sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
> Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
> in the process of man page generation ?
> --
> Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
> http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
> KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
> Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026
>
> _______________________________________________
> oi-dev mailing list
> oi-dev at openindiana.org
> https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev



-- 
-Peter Tribble
http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:27:20 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:27:20 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>     before.
>
>
> Try something like
>
> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>
> to strip the formatting.

Thanks, that really helps !

>
>
>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
>     Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
>     in the process of man page generation ?



-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:44:04 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:44:04 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <318a49d4-0d9d-77d4-c248-95130265e531@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:27, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
>> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>>     before.
>>
>>
>> Try something like
>>
>> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>>
>> to strip the formatting.
>
> Thanks, that really helps !
>
>>
>>
>>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>>
>>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>>
>>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>>

ok, not *that* useless, as overprinting via backspace seems to be
not only a common technique for printers to get bold characters,
but also gets interpreted by less and more in that way.
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From marcel at telka.sk  Tue Feb  5 08:25:25 2019
From: marcel at telka.sk (Marcel Telka)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
Message-ID: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+



From alp at sfedu.ru  Tue Feb  5 09:13:54 2019
From: alp at sfedu.ru (Alexander Pyhalov)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:54 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
In-Reply-To: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
References: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
Message-ID: <AM6PR05MB6198D900DD03EE99583A39BACF6E0@AM6PR05MB6198.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, Marcel.
It's not intentional. I've contacted EC support yesterday, so far haven't received  detailed information on what is going on from them.

Best regards,
Alexander Pyhalov,
system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department



________________________________________
??: Marcel Telka <marcel at telka.sk>
??????????: 5 ??????? 2019 ?. 11:25:25
????: oi-dev at openindiana.org
????: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

--
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+

_______________________________________________
oi-dev mailing list
oi-dev at openindiana.org
https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev



From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 11:36:10 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:36:10 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
Message-ID: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
before. Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'

0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T

That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.

Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
in the process of man page generation ?
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From peter.tribble at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 12:00:03 2019
From: peter.tribble at gmail.com (Peter Tribble)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:00:03 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
> like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
> before.


Try something like

man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc

to strip the formatting.


> Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
> in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
> 0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
> 0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
> That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
> Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
> sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
> Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
> in the process of man page generation ?
> --
> Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
> http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
> KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
> Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026
>
> _______________________________________________
> oi-dev mailing list
> oi-dev at openindiana.org
> https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/oi-dev



-- 
-Peter Tribble
http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:27:20 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:27:20 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>     before.
>
>
> Try something like
>
> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>
> to strip the formatting.

Thanks, that really helps !

>
>
>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
>     Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
>     in the process of man page generation ?



-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:44:04 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:44:04 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <318a49d4-0d9d-77d4-c248-95130265e531@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:27, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
>> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>>     before.
>>
>>
>> Try something like
>>
>> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>>
>> to strip the formatting.
>
> Thanks, that really helps !
>
>>
>>
>>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>>
>>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>>
>>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>>

ok, not *that* useless, as overprinting via backspace seems to be
not only a common technique for printers to get bold characters,
but also gets interpreted by less and more in that way.
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From marcel at telka.sk  Tue Feb  5 08:25:25 2019
From: marcel at telka.sk (Marcel Telka)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
Message-ID: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
|                jabber:   marcel at jabber.sk |
+-------------------------------------------+



From alp at sfedu.ru  Tue Feb  5 09:13:54 2019
From: alp at sfedu.ru (Alexander Pyhalov)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:54 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org
In-Reply-To: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
References: <20190205082525.GG2223@telcontar>
Message-ID: <AM6PR05MB6198D900DD03EE99583A39BACF6E0@AM6PR05MB6198.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, Marcel.
It's not intentional. I've contacted EC support yesterday, so far haven't received  detailed information on what is going on from them.

Best regards,
Alexander Pyhalov,
system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department



________________________________________
??: Marcel Telka <marcel at telka.sk>
??????????: 5 ??????? 2019 ?. 11:25:25
????: oi-dev at openindiana.org
????: [oi-dev] rsync at dlc-origin.openindiana.org

Hi,

For about a week now I have a problem to connect to the rsync service at dlc-origin.openindiana.org:

rsync: failed to connect to dlc-origin.openindiana.org (91.194.75.37): Connection timed out (145)
rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(122) [Receiver=3.0.9]

What happened?  Is this intentional?


Thanks.

--
+-------------------------------------------+
| Marcel Telka   e-mail:   marcel at telka.sk  |
|                homepage: http://telka.sk/ |
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 11:36:10 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:36:10 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
Message-ID: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
before. Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'

0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T

That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.

Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
in the process of man page generation ?
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From peter.tribble at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 12:00:03 2019
From: peter.tribble at gmail.com (Peter Tribble)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:00:03 +0000
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
> like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
> before.


Try something like

man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc

to strip the formatting.


> Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
> in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
> 0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
> 0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
> That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
> Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
> sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
> Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
> in the process of man page generation ?
> --
> Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
> http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
> KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
> Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026
>
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-- 
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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:27:20 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:27:20 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>     before.
>
>
> Try something like
>
> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>
> to strip the formatting.

Thanks, that really helps !

>
>
>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>
>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>
>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>
>     Is this really intended, or produces some document tool this garbage
>     in the process of man page generation ?



-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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From udo.grabowski at kit.edu  Mon Feb 18 12:44:04 2019
From: udo.grabowski at kit.edu (Udo Grabowski (IMK))
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:44:04 +0100
Subject: [oi-dev] Weird man page construction
In-Reply-To: <12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
References: <fd86e835-e2a7-f2f5-cfa9-640df69d734d@kit.edu>
	<CAEgYsbECLw4yrmajMgzccozDtpykaXVyPzMQZ-yekehgB_kf8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<12f9398b-ada5-bbf8-310d-255b79c91290@kit.edu>
Message-ID: <318a49d4-0d9d-77d4-c248-95130265e531@kit.edu>

On 18/02/2019 13:27, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 13:00, Peter Tribble wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:36 AM Udo Grabowski (IMK) <udo.grabowski at kit.edu
>> <mailto:udo.grabowski at kit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I was wondering for a while now why I could not grep man pages anymore,
>>     like 'man ftp|grep netrc', which was working a couple of OI versions
>>     before.
>>
>>
>> Try something like
>>
>> man ftp | col -x -b | grep netrc
>>
>> to strip the formatting.
>
> Thanks, that really helps !
>
>>
>>
>>     Today I really got curious and found these weird constructions
>>     in the man page output 'man ftp|od -tc'
>>
>>     0121460  \b   ~   /  \b   /   .  \b   .   n  \b   n   e  \b   e   t  \b
>>     0121500   t   r  \b   r   c  \b   c  \n  \n   A  \b   A   T  \b   T   T
>>
>>     That means: most of the characters are backspaced and written again !
>>     Checked a couple of man pages, most of them have these useless
>>     sequences in them, so grepping man pages is mostly impossible now.
>>

ok, not *that* useless, as overprinting via backspace seems to be
not only a common technique for printers to get bold characters,
but also gets interpreted by less and more in that way.
-- 
Dr.Udo Grabowski   Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT
http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology           http://www.kit.edu
Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026

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