[oi-dev] [discuss] Making OI friendly to new users

[Till Wegmüller]

Hi Eric

I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue or the Proxmox one. I am not 
always listening on all Lists, but we are trying to build a Association 
with Stakeholders for that effort like the FreeBSD foundation. If you 
are interested in signing up let me know so I can send you the details. 
I kept things like the Bylaw drafts etc off list but I am happy to send 
them through.

-Till

On 13.08.25 04:06, Eric J Bowman wrote:
> These responses prove OP's point exactly. Want gfx? Refer to the manual 
> on how to write your own driver, despite the problem being NV Optimus 
> cards "fall off the bus" because loader doesn't map above 4GB, making it 
> not a driver issue. Where's the guidance from the community, other than 
> go figure this out for yourself but don't bother us unless you have code 
> to commit, then if you get stuck... maybe this is why so few developers? 
> Maybe a 15-year out-of-date graphics stack is an argument against 
> continuing largely as you have?
> 
> Hard to work on the kernel when none of the distros boot on non-CSM 
> UEFI, or the latest Proxmox, no Ventoy et al compatibility because 
> it's /EFI not /efi... maybe those of you who know what the issues are 
> can write them down and solicit some specific help? Instead of sending 
> everyone who asks on a wild goose chase while you play the victim card 
> of "too few developers here"? Just say up front: No AMD gfx, no Intel 
> HD630+, no NV Optimus, no UEFI-only boxes need apply, instead of 
> whatever compels all y'all to just keep ignoring folks who post to your 
> list, or giving them misleading answers...?
> 
> Or just state outright, that the stakeholders who control access aren't 
> interested in making illumos friendly to new users in 2025, meaning 
> it'll be gone by 2030 if y'all keep this up.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
> 
> ---- On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 17:01:38 -0700 *Ren Kararou via illumos-discuss 
> <discuss at lists.illumos.org>* wrote ---
> 
>         You may say "ah, but I am not a kernel developer, I can not do those
>         things"!  But the kernel is just a big C program, and everybody
>         who is
>         comfortable working on it now started out from a point where
>         they were
>         not yet able to do that.
> 
>         If you want to see progress, pick an issue and work on it.  Other
>         folks in the community can provide advice and help you if you get
>         stuck!  Otherwise, things will continue largely as they have.
> 
> 
>     Tacking on to this, the illumos website has lots of valuable
>     documentation on this exact topic, generally at https://illumos.org/
>     books/ <https://illumos.org/books/> and more specifically for
>     drivers and such at https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html
>     <https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html#preface>
> 
>     Ren
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