<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Sorry Martin, but I have to agree with Alasdair, the crazy rants all over the forums just make you out to be insane.<br><br></div>My company is not going to pay you, partly because at the moment they will not be using your product (at least until there are signs that it would be a stable, supported product) and partly because they are a scientific laboratory, not a computer company, <br>
<br>I would like to see you supported in your work, but I'm a lowly software engineer in UK with 3 kids, and no pay rise for > 3 years ... so the only way I could contribute would be to put myself in further debt, and no matter how good the product is, if I don't have to pay for it, I won't be paying.<br>
<br></div>As for making the source available or not, would you not be in breach of the license terms to withhold it?<br><br></div>Jon<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 June 2013 23:26, Alasdair Lumsden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alasdairrr@gmail.com" target="_blank">alasdairrr@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Martin,<div><br></div><div>If you make something for free, nobody is obliged to use it, nor pay you for it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>These rants do nothing to help your cause. I congratulate you on the effort you have gone to make this, but you have to learn to market it to users. What are the advantages? Why should people use it?</div>

<div><br></div><div>You need a flashy website, and you need to build a user community. But crazy rants will scare people away.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I don't like SVR4 packaging so it's not something I would use. But there are a lot of SVR4 fans, so perhaps you should focus on that.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Alasdair</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Martin Bochnig <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin@martux.org" target="_blank">martin@martux.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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      <p>This is ALL I got since 
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      <p>Folks pay for every SHIT. Even if they go to the Restaurant toilet.
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      <p>I did enough in advance.
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