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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/22/16 02:00 PM, Peter Tribble
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Overall, I'm happy with most of this. It's about
the right length, as well.</div>
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What are you actually happy with? I can say I could be happy with
the first affirmative part, that is from the time of original
posting changed, but not the second part with restrictions and
secrecy.<br>
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Have you seen working version at:<br>
<a
href="http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953">http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953</a></a><br>
because document is edited in open, not in closed and on Wiki
instead on the site.<br>
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You should not seen document put on site by Adam, as something
finished and not even what will ever be used (and also can't be used
because it is conflicting with Openindiana organizing principles of
inclusive environment, that are still active)<br>
<a
href="http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31391953"></a><br>
On-site proposed version have not been reviewed before putting on
the site and includes non-precise section in the works, that it
fixed in the working version:<br>
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<h2
id="WIPOpenindianaCorePrinciplesandExpectations-CPECodeofConduct-Discouragedbehavior">Discouraged
behavior :</h2>
<ul>
<li>No personal witch hunt, based on anything toward a
person(s).</li>
<li>Advocating unsubscribing, other person removal,
restrictions, filtering or personal negative public
announcements.</li>
<li>Not recognizing critique as the source of inspiration to
make Openindiana better.</li>
</ul>
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instead of:<br>
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<h2 id="what-will-not-be-tolerated">What will not be tolerated:</h2>
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Because that section by itself is against it's own terms and
actively works against open development by limiting freedom of
speech, freedom of expression, freedom of contribution, induces
negativity, and puts EXCLUDING individuals on reasons only know to
"ruling guy" (and in secret!) instead of inclusive community that
Openindiana started with and still is.<br>
Working against people and not discussing and fixing issues,
presents form of trolling.<br>
Working against people and not topics it form of trolling.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I think you need an explicit
reporting mechanism. Something like "email <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:abuse@openindiana.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abuse@openindiana.org">abuse@openindiana.org</a></a>"</div>
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Nothing can be reported, because there is no one elected to be
reported things to.<br>
It would be against community principles to silently and secretly
create plots against people in Openindiana.<br>
Document can't be activated because there is no governing body
elected in OI, <br>
it can't be elected because there is no formed active community
members group.<br>
There is no forming active members community group, because 'poll'
posted by Adam misused the chance to register and include new people
in the community.<br>
<br>
There are several steps needed to fulfill before such document can
be mandated:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Website+Ideas">http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Website+Ideas</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">or the like. (Of course, you need
that to be routed somewhere.) And the first statement about</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">confidentiality means that the 2nd
part about not being made public is redundant. There's also</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">no mention of consequences.</div>
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That is because in open community there is no need for consequences
because community is supposed to be self-regulated and not governed
by self-appointed rulers. <br>
As presented in managing section:<br>
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<h2
id="WIPOpenindianaCorePrinciplesandExpectations-CPECodeofConduct-Managingmisuseescalation">Managing
misuse escalation:</h2>
<ul>
<li>Point new and existing community members to Openindiana
principles and expectations.</li>
<li>Inform and message community members to self-regulate it's
own behavior.</li>
<li>If you feel needed, consult others about ways of accepting
new and modifying existing behavior of community members.</li>
<li>If you find it important, contact IRC Channel operators,
Mailing list administrator, Web site maintainer, Wiki editor
and Project maintainer.</li>
</ul>
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there is very long way to go till it ends up considered misusing.<br>
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Do you propose OI main functioning principle to be fear of
consequences, if fulfilling desires of ruling individual. That is
very bad environment to work with and does not support freedom of
expression and is in general antihuman oriented and there is need
for community-facilitating in a positive and inclusive way.<br>
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Original proposed text in it's negative part, actually does not care
about community, people and having more contributors in. <br>
It is non-precise and can be badly misused like that and rotates
about battling people instead of topics..<br>
And actually, turning all organising priciple into a man-hunt, it
represent for of trolling, injected into code of conduct itself.<br>
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