[OpenIndiana-discuss] I figured this deserved a separate thread

Gabriel de la Cruz gabriel.delacruz at gmail.com
Fri Nov 5 10:08:28 UTC 2010

Not so desktop issues are; you need more memory than average, and I prefer
to use good gear on desktops as well, not the typical Dell office stuff-


On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz <
gabriel.delacruz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a few servers running hardened Gentoo, and I feel terribly excited
> with DragonflyBSD, I was administering a purely mac enviroment for quite
> some time...
> But I run opensolaris seamlessly from my 2 racks, untill my travel netbook
> (including my office). According to my taste it is a hell of a desktop, and
> more resistant than anything I know.  I do believe it is the best OS to run
> windows virtually, and office people learned easily how to roll back their
> local zfs snapshots and fetching fresh windows VMs from their pools in case
> there is something broken (I don't even think they really need windows, but
> it is what they know best so..). All of it rather manually and without great
> integration efforts, just with networking , database, file servers...the
> desktop machines are very straightforward.
> I dont see any reason to consider it a bad desktop ;-P
> We run graphic applications mostly on mac, cause designers has the apple
> mind desease, but I have 2 stations running Adobe apps on virtual XP over
> Opensoalris as well... in real production, it works well, with a fully
> calibrated graphic monitor. Let say it does what Adobe does on a mac but
> with a zfs pool in the backend, and some nice flexibility provided by
> virtualization. The guys can take their virtual image with them if they
> like. The graphics are really ok, no great penalty.
> The netbook runs well, including the eyecandy from the graphic interface.
> Earlier I was using a fully encripted gentoo system, but I got a warning
> while traveling as encription is still illegal at some countries, so
> Opensolaris is safe enough... But I would love to have a netbook with 2
> hardrives... My IBM (lenovo) laptop had an extra bay and I had a very safe
> ZFS pool... That laptop got tragically smashed (mostly the display), shame
> on me, but the data is with me still.
> My favorite game is Lord of Ultima, and since it is browser based.. runs as
> well.
> I like watching movies, that was easier before lifewithsolaris.jp took
> away the free codecs... but I never tried purchasing the Fluendo option.
> umm anyway... what to say... It is already a good desktop, no matter how
> you look at it.
> Maybe as media player is not so easy platform, but I see no a need to go
> Ubuntu...
> Love
> Gab
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Gary Driggs <gdriggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 4:41 PM, "Kevin J. Woolley" wrote:
>> > CentOS and other enterprise-grade Linuxes also upgrade well among minor
>> releases, but need to be re-installed to go to the next major release.
>>  Those release cycles are suitably long that I'd argue the net effect is
>> negligible.
>> I have one each of RHEL & CentOS that were dist upgraded from v3 to 4
>> without issue.
>> > Fedora, most Ubuntu (minus LTS), and many other Linux distros have much
>> shorter release cycles and don't make any claims that they upgrade well
>> among actual releases (as opposed to repo updates, etc.).
>> You have twice suggested that Fedora is a production OS when it is not --
>> it's equivalent to a BSD current, testing or unstable Debian, or Solaris
>> Express. That is, it's where new features are added & tested before moving
>> in to the "enterprise" distribution regardless of whether it's on a desktop
>> or server.
>> > For what it's worth I don't believe I've ever upgraded a Solaris box
>> across major versions, so I don't have any direct experience there.
>> I haven't tried it since Solaris 2.6-8 -- and then only on a personal
>> workstation but at the time it was one of only a handful of operating
>> systems that had a solid track record for being able to do so without issue
>> 99% of the time or better. OS X can't yet match that across major versions
>> but they seem to be making an effort to match the reputation that Solaris
>> had (still has?) in this area.
>> I'd be curious to learn how many admins feel this is an important feature
>> since my server OS upgrade cycles tend to coincide with hardware upgrades &
>> in that case it's more work to try to preserve an exact replica of the old
>> system it's replacing  -- except, perhaps, in the case of a physical to
>> virtual conversion.
>> Again, workstations or lab/dev/QA systems are another matter depending on
>> their level of importance (e.g. my production workstation lately lags behind
>> by a year or two but my notebook gets a quarterly facelift at a minimum).
>> -Gary
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