[OpenIndiana-discuss] Sonicle XStreamOS repo and XStream Desktop in progress

[Sriram Narayanan]

There are devs working on it as per recent mails.

Sriram
On May 19, 2013 3:19 PM, <finid at linuxbsdos.com> wrote:

> I'm not even sure that OI is still alive.
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> You guys might want to read the dev email archives at http://ur1.ca/dxg95
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> Especially http://ur1.ca/dxg9b
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> finid
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> On 2013-05-18 19:43, DormitionSkete at hotmail.com wrote:
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>> On May 18, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
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>>  Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz writes:
>>>
>>>> Illumos isn't like Linux. Linux already has a very large user base,
>>>> while Illumos have a very small user base. For Linux, it's not a
>>>> real problem having some number of different distributions. About
>>>> Illumus, maybe it should be better to add common efforts to increase
>>>> the user base before each company having it's own distro.
>>>>
>>>> At our organisation, I'd like to use a distribution coming or from
>>>> some community (as debian or openindiana) or coming from some quite
>>>> solid organisation (as Fedora come from RedHat).
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, it could be better if people from these many different
>>>> distributions could work together to create a distribution people
>>>> could really believe in its medium/long term future.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are completely correct.  I fully agree.
>>>
>>> I wish Gabriele had spent all this work on OpenIndiana, maybe offering
>>> a light weight WM and whatever else Sonicle needs als an extra package.
>>> I wish Martin had done his absolutely amazing work in a more cooperative
>>> and open fashion.
>>>
>>> The problem here is that too many people want to many different things.
>>> So far, nobody is willing to give in and agree to a common denominator.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, at least Illumos is still the basis of all these
>>> distributions, and it is a very solid one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards -- Volker A. Brandt
>>> --
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>>
>> I don't agree.
>>
>> I like Open Indiana a LOT.  I like most of the developers and most of
>> the other people on this mailing list.  I have benefitted from their
>> help enormously, and I appreciate their help and their efforts
>> immensely -- far more than words can adequately express.  But if the
>> people at Sonicle want to start their own distribution, I welcome that
>> whole heartedly.
>>
>> As much as I hate to say it, I see Open Indiana as a sick puppy dying
>> a long, slow, lingering death.
>>
>> While it has some significant strengths, it also has some significant
>> problems, among which is the fact that it has no leadership, and no
>> organizational structure.
>>
>> Go back and look at the dev archives.  Start around September of last
>> year, when Alasdair resigned.
>>
>> The response among the devs can be summed up as, "We don't need a
>> leader, and we don't want a leader."
>>
>> Last December, some corporation, I think, approached the Illumos
>> Foundation wanting to donate to Open Indiana.  Look at the devs'
>> response to that, too.  It wasn't very good.  And others this year
>> have offered to donate or pay for work to be done that they wanted,
>> but unless things have changed that I'm not aware of, there's no way
>> to contribute to Open Indiana.
>>
>> Of course, not all people are motivated by money.  And our devs don't
>> appear to be.  That's not necessarily bad, though.
>>
>> Further, the amount of petty bickering on the dev list is enough to
>> discourage even the most stout-hearted person from wanting to
>> contribute to it.  Somebody a few months ago offered a small piece of
>> work for a code review, and he got hit with somewhere around 20-30
>> messages (if I remember correctly) bickering about what compiler he
>> should use...
>>
>> And Sonicle is right in saying that Open Indiana does seem to have a
>> lot of complexity that probably could be simplified immensely.
>>
>> I've heard many people say on this list that "we need a corporate
>> sponsor".  Well, that simply cannot happen with OI in it's current
>> condition.  Sonicle, as a corporation, has either overcome, or should
>> be able to side-step, most of these problems OI faces.  My big
>> question is, whether they really have the resources to do this.  Their
>> website shows big, impressive buildings, but I think I picked up on
>> Gabriele saying "both of us" have such and such expertise...
>>
>> Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I'm not going to take the time to go
>> through all his posts again.
>>
>> But in any case, if Sonicle wants to make their own distro, maybe it
>> might actually grow enough to be a viable replacement to OI before OI
>> finally does die.
>>
>> Within the Linux world, there have been many distributions that have
>> come and gone, only to be replaced by others -- some better, some not.
>>
>>
>> Again, I offer my greatest and warmest thanks to all of the OI devs
>> and everyone else who has helped me on this list.  Unfortunately,
>> though, this is how I see the health of OI.
>>
>> I, personally, will miss OpenIndiana, if and when it does die.  But I
>> hope that if or when that day comes, there will be a viable
>> replacement for it.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Peter, hieromonk
>>
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