[OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc
Jim Klimov
jimklimov at cos.ru
Mon Sep 8 09:07:06 UTC 2014
8 сентября 2014 г. 10:37:28 CEST, Peter <jini at zeus.net.au> пишет:
>Sounds like this community has some very passionate developers.
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter.
>
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>> From: "Dormition Skete (Hotmail)" <dormitionskete at hotmail.com>
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>> Ok, since no one else wants to bite, I guess I will.
>>
>> I haven?t spoken with Martin or spent any significant time watching
>his
>> distro for a while now, so this information may not be entirely up to
>> date; but it?s highly unlikely that things have changed significantly
>in
>> recent months.
>>
>> A couple of years ago, Martin quit his job (sort of) and embarked
>upon
>> making openSXCE. It was a one-man effort, requiring extreme
>> self-sacrifice. His announcement of the distro ruffled quite a few
>> feathers in multiple communities, and in the months following he
>seems
>> to have been shunned and maligned by the Illumos community, the
>> OpenIndiana community (to some extent), and probably a few others.
>>
>> Because of that, he shifted openSXCE away from Illumos to a
>derivative
>> of it (?) called Dillix (sp ?). I?m not sure how significant that
>is.
>> He?s not the only one to have had problems with Illumos. Look at
>the
>> website for Schillix, and you?ll see they had problems with Illumos,
>too.
>>
>> His May 2014 release was the first for the past year. I think he
>> initially wanted to release updates monthly, but that has not
>> materialized yet. (It?s a lot of work.)
>>
>> I?ve included below his post to this list announcing the distro.
>> Although the status is not current, it'll give you a lot of insight
>> about openSXCE and where he wants to take it.
>>
>> He is extremely dedicated to the distro, and the extreme
>self-sacrifice
>> have at times made him come across as being less than stable; but in
>my
>> conversations with him privately, he seems like a pretty decent
>fellow.
>>
>> I believe he collaborates with a few people, primarily
>fellow-Russians,
>> whom he seems to feel more at ease with, but the distro seems to
>remain
>> primarily his baby at this time. I?m sure he would welcome more
>help,
>> and I believe he would like to see the community to grow, and the
>> development of it to grow beyond primarily himself. He doesn't seem
>to
>> have a real good grasp about how to make that happen, though.
>>
>> His living situation has improved this past year, but the last I
>knew,
>> it was not very good, to say the least, and probably still isn?t what
>> most folks would consider reasonable. He could use some financial
>help
>> in a serious way. Even just a few dollars here and there mean a lot
>to
>> him.
>>
>> The official website is: http://www.opensxce.org
>>
>> He used to have a mailing list that someone in the Netherlands set up
>> for him, but it had very little traffic, and seems to have
>disappeared
>> in recent months.
>>
>> If you?re interested, write him at martin at martux.org
>>
>> It appears to be the only open source distro for sparc, and I have
>not
>> seen anyone else having much interest in it, so if you want an open
>> source distro for sparc, I think that is your only option. And I?m
>not
>> sure I should call this an ?open source? project, but it is a free
>one.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Peter, heiromonk
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> > From: Martin Bochnig <martin at martux.org>
>> > Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A potential new Illumos reference
>> > distro candidate: IA32, AMD64, sun4u, sun4v Date: December 17, 2012
>at
>> > 7:22:04 PM MST To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
>> > <openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org> Reply-To: Discussion list for
>> > OpenIndiana <openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org>
>> >
>> > Dear Illumos and all OpenSolaris comrades
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry that I wasn't online for 2 months.
>> > I did not break my promise: In fact I did nothing else but working
>on
>> > Illumos' new SVR4 based reference distro for IA32, AMD64 and sun4u
>as
>> > well as sun4v, with X11, also on _all_ SPARC platforms.
>> >
>> >
>> > As it was the goal to create sort of reference distro, the
>standards
>> > needed to be kept high.
>> > For this reason it didn't take 5 weeks, as originally estimated,
>but 5
>> > months. FULLTIME(!), night and day, no holidays ...
>> >
>> > In fact I forgot to earn money (just had no minute), for this
>reason I
>> > lost my apartment.
>> > I needed to live 6 weeks in my old year 1988 built Mercedes.
>> > Therefore I could not go online. I have no clue what has happened
>here
>> > on our lists.
>> > So far I only had time to read some of today's messages.
>> >
>> > I would probably never feel ready to release anything, because
>> > demand_for_perfection bugs me now and then.
>> > However, this time I did not just create a non-installable crappy
>> > LiveDVD as in the past with MartUX.
>> >
>> > Instead I ported distro_const and caiman's text-install and
>> > gui-install to use SVR4 instead of IPS, for convenience the
>excellent
>> > OpenCSW's pkgutil was chosen.
>> > Not just to get it to function "somehow", but to remove all traces
>of
>> > that IPS stuff, while keeping the useful things in, but to match
>them
>> > as much as possible with pkgutil ...
>> >
>> > There would have been 2 fundamental approaches: Easy and tougher.
>> > The first would be to take all IPS manifests and convert them
>> > semi-automated to SVR4 prototype/pkginfo/depend files.
>> > And simply to keep all the new pkg sets and pkg names and
>dependencies
>> > just intact.
>> > This would certainly be nice and interesting. Maybe someone want's
>to
>> > do that, too :)
>> > However, this would break dependency resolution backwards
>> > compatibility to all legacy SVR4 packages in existance.
>> >
>> > For this reason, I neglected it.
>> >
>> > The second one was, to reverse-engineer everything back to the old
>> > times. And that's what I did.
>> >
>> > Not just for Illumos/OSnet, but for ___all___ consolidations.
>> > Not just to get old pkgdefs to build without failiure (where they
>are
>> > available), but also to re-assign more than 15 thousand (!)
>unassigned
>> > files to new pkgdefs (this number for Illumos ON alone!!!)
>> > Also it was necessary to take older G11N checkouts (just as one
>> > example), because we need the good old /usr/openwin
>> > internationalization stuff as well, for OpenXsun.
>> >
>> > OpenXsun's port itself took another 3 weeks.
>> > And also the Illumos kernel needed to
>> > It is an endless endless endless list.
>> > And basicly one never gets 100% finished (depending on how high
>your
>> > standards of perfection are).
>> > However, originally I promised to come back to you on October 18th.
>> > Today is December 18th. Probablybout time to make a short
>> > pre-announcement.
>> >
>> >
>> > Current Status:
>> >
>> > 0.) Illumos/Nevada built for x86 and SPARC: YES, Fully packaged:
>YES
>> >
>> > 1.) Caiman Sliminstall: distro_const: (always Python based) ported
>to
>> > SVR4 OpenCSW pkgutil: for x86 and SPARC: YES, Fully packaged into
>> > SVR4: YES
>> > text-install (Python version):
>> > ported to SVR4 OpenCSW pkgutil: for x86 and SPARC: YES, Fully
>> > packaged into SVR4: YES
>> > gui-install (C version)
>> > ported to SVR4 OpenCSW pkgutil: for x86 and SPARC: YES,
>> > Fully packaged into SVR4: YES
>> > (the rest of Caiman under way, but
>> > stopped due to the other major TODO's)
>> >
>> > 2.) X11-NV (Xorg): built for x86 and SPARC: YES, Fully packaged
>into
>> > SVR4: YES
>> >
>> > 3.) openXsun: ported to SPARC-Illumos: YES, Fully packaged into
>SVR4:
>> > YES
>> >
>> > 4.) oi-build/illumos-build/sfw: built for x86 and SPARC: YES, Fully
>> > packaged into SVR4: YES
>> >
>> > 5.) g11n including SUNWxsun-keytables for SPARC, plus messages and
>> > inputmethod: built for x86 and SPARC: YES, Fully packaged into
>SVR4:
>> > YES
>> >
>> > 5.) JDS: 80% built for SPARC, 95% built for x86, 100% fully
>packaged
>> > into SVR4: YES
>> >
>> > 6.) Hacked pkgutil to finally support SUNW core packages (that are
>> > split into different architecture versions, yet all have the samae
>> > package names in their pkginfo files (without their arch specific
>> > suffix!): YES.
>> > As a result, the patched version of pkgutil can be used to install
>the
>> > entire new OS, yet still supports installing OpenCSW and Blastwave
>> > packages, if you just add a mirror line! You can tweak the order of
>> > preference at which, by simply changing (or commenting in/out)
>mirror
>> > lines.
>> > Plus: The mirror can also be a simple locally available filesystem
>> > directory. No httpd needs to be running, and it doesn't matter on
>what
>> > fs type these directories reside.
>> >
>> > As time pressure forces me to release something, although I'm not
>> > entirely ready (still missing dependencies, that I still installed
>> > from the old Solaris DVD for internal testing (but which aren'r
>> > re-distributable).
>> >
>> > I can create a few dirty fake packages to work around this problem
>for
>> > now. Because I don't really want to use pkgutil's --nodeps option.
>And
>> > to exclude specific packages doesn't work right now.
>> > Need to look, why.
>> >
>> > As said, the last few inches still need to be completed.
>> > But I do understand that you want to see some proof to play with.
>> > The text_install iso's do get released on holy eve, December 24th.
>> > As does the complete openXsun port src.
>> > All the other sources will get 100% released, too. But there is
>still
>> > a ton of temporary intermediate files in them.
>> > And I so far never cared about adding me or the new project's name
>to
>> > the CDDL headers (e.g. as Nexenta uses to do). Need to aks a few
>folks
>> > about that.
>> > All that needs to get polished, and it will.
>> >
>> >
>> > Project name: You will enjoy it :)
>> > It is not intended to be "my" distro.
>> > It is neither MartUX, nor and other personified variant.
>> > But as I cannot register the new domain without credit card (with
>some
>> > minimal balance ...), I'm not sure if the name should be spoken out
>> > already.
>> >
>> > OURdistro!!!!! That is the vision.
>> > In 6 days you can test the first installable text-install iso's for
>> > SPARC and x86.
>> > The gui-install version that boots into JDS follows a few days
>later.
>> > As do the sources (except for openXsun, which you get on the first
>> > day, December 24th)
>> >
>> > Our distro, our project, our way of life :)
>> >
>> >
>> > CREDITS: I thank my family and my wife, mother, grandmother for all
>> > the unbelievable support and financial help and understanding.
>> > Thanks go also to Al Hopper, who always helped me, did all the
>hosting
>> > work and donated 200$ in 2009.
>> > Thanks also to Volker Brandt, who borrowed me 200EUR 2 months ago
>> > (Volker: You will get them back, somehow, promised ...)
>> > Also to Brian Gupta, who donated 3000$ in 2008 and rescued my life.
>> > Also to Ken Mays, who created the nice Wiki page for us, and helped
>> > forwarding a V490 cpu board to me, from overseas.
>> >
>> > kind regards, and till December 24th!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > %martin bochnig
>> >
>http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD
>> > http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris
>> >
>http://www.facebook.com/pages/MartUX_SPARC-OpenIndiana/357912020962940
>> > https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 21:59:29 +0200
>> From: Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz at gmx.de>
>> To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
>> <openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sparc
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>> Am 06.09.2014 um 20:03 schrieb Dormition Skete (Hotmail)
>> <dormitionskete at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> > Ok, since no one else wants to bite, I guess I will.
>> >
>> > I haven?t spoken with Martin or spent any significant time watching
>> > his distro for a while now, so this information may not be entirely
>up
>> > to date; but it?s highly unlikely that things have changed
>> > significantly in recent months.
>> >
>> > A couple of years ago, Martin quit his job (sort of) and embarked
>upon
>> > making openSXCE. It was a one-man effort, requiring extreme
>> > self-sacrifice. His announcement of the distro ruffled quite a
>few
>> > feathers in multiple communities, and in the months following he
>seems
>> > to have been shunned and maligned by the Illumos community, the
>> > OpenIndiana community (to some extent), and probably a few others.
>
>> >
>> > Because of that, he shifted openSXCE away from Illumos to a
>derivative
>> > of it (?) called Dillix (sp ?). I?m not sure how significant that
>is.
>> > He?s not the only one to have had problems with Illumos. Look
>at the
>> > website for Schillix, and
>> As far as I remember it was DilOS (www.dilos.org). If you look at the
>> IRC channel of it (#dilos) you can see that there are SPARC packages
>> being build but no downloadable ISO so far (x86 only yet). DilOS is
>an
>> Illumos based distribution that uses the Debian package management
>> system. OpenSXCE uses the old SysV package management system. As far
>as
>> I understand with some enhancements (like pkgutil from OpenCSW).
>>
>> As I see the situation, Martin is frustrated because of several
>things.
>> First, he gets only very few money for his work on OpenSXCE. Alas
>there
>> is no real community around OpenSXCE evolving. Second, Illumos is
>mostly
>> driven by some folks working for companies that use Illumos for their
>> own distributions which are all x86 server oriented. On top of that
>> there is a controversy about the package management system. So this
>is
>> also frustrating for him. Probably he would add some more to this
>list.
>>
>> So, there is no special interest in SPARC or desktop left. My
>impression
>> is that people interested in it are getting fewer and fewer.
>>
>>
>> > you?ll see they had problems with Illumos, too.
>> >
>> > His May 2014 release was the first for the past year. I think he
>> > initially wanted to release updates monthly, but that has not
>> > materialized yet. (It?s a lot of work.)
>> >
>> The OpenSXCE is an amazing work of a single person. Alas it has some
>> rough edges on my Blade 2000. Eg. I needed to install some missing
>> packages (bind) to get networking work. And at the moment gdm is not
>> starting correctly because something is changing the access to /tmp
>> during boot. When I correct it (chmod 1777 /tmp) I can successfully
>> restart gdm.
>>
>> I am using OpenIndiana Hipster successfully since it arrived on my
>Ultra
>> 25. For me it makes a nice Workstation OS as I was able to build my
>> preferred programming environments (Pharo Smalltalk
>(http://pharo.org;
>> alas FFI not yet working), Racket (http://racket-lang.org) and
>Clojure
>> (http://clojure.org)). On my Blade 2000 I was able to build and
>install
>> Racket (some OpenCSW packages were needed) and Clojure. Clojure was
>> relatively simple, after the /tmp fix leiningen installed Clojure
>> bravely.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>>
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By the way, as a way to support Martin's work and get some well-preserved and functional desktop-ready SPARC gear, people are encouraged to take a look at his blog since he recently began setting up auctions to sell off the machines used to develop and test OpenSXCE since their intricacies are now covered by code and the hardware is no longer personally required. And it takes up space. And Martin wants to eat ;(
Some of the boxes are pretty unique and might gain in value as collectibles ;) (i.e. nearly the last built Ultra45 with some extended capabilities done just before the SUNWkst market vector collapsed).
>From what I gather, he did a lot of heavy-lifting to match up a most functional set of X11 server and drivers to cover both legacy and recent videocards, and much work about integrating the recent releases of desktop gui software such as flash player, browsers, etc.
His mood about the ability of both sides to collaborate did fluctuate over time, but the last I heard from his blog, he did intend to push his sources into the public space. Ne is just wary that more commercialy apt sharks would take his multi-year and multi-dollar investment baby, for granted and for free, earn money for themselves and leave him on the curb to continue in suffering and poverty.
I can only hope that something more ... decent ... would happen in reality.
Jim Klimov
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