[oi-dev] New Project Lead?

[Nick Zivkovic]

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrew M. Hettinger
<AHettinger at prominic.net> wrote:
> +1
>
> I'd like to see this lead by a committee with a written governance
> structure. That way we don't have to worry about this in the future, and
> it's not on one persons shoulders. My complaint right now is I don't know
> who to take things to.

I disagree. I've been a long-time Gentoo user (before OpenSolaris and
Illumos), and the governance was what destroyed the community after
Daniel Robins left. It was so dysfunctional, that people weren't
accepting improvements to their portage package manager from other
developers due personal disputes and grudges, instead of technical
grounds.

We really don't need politics in a software project. Besides, what is
governance going to do exactly? Anyone can write code and, if not
commit it, can run their own branch on github or bitbucket.

Any governance that we implement will be fundamentally impotent,
unless they concern themselves with matters other than code.

As someone earlier mentioned, what we really need is one person who
can act as a coordinator or go-between between various projects in OI.
We need a network, not a hierarchy (governance implies the latter).

If no one else feels up to the task, I'll do it. But, to be honest I
was hoping an OI veteran contributor would step up to the task.

>
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> "Garrett D'Amore" <garrett.damore at dey-sys.com> wrote on 09/02/2012 11:46:39
> PM:
>
>
>>
>> Just a quick note to since I'm the PL for illumos - or I was until
>> recently. We've made some adjustments which basically make that role
>> obsolete by creation of a very simple governance structure that
>> reflects a meritocracy. It is also split between two bodies, one
>> that addresses technology and another that handles non tech issues.
>> About the only real thing my role does now is that as founder I will
>> have a permanent seat on the foundation. Otherwise I am now just
>> another contributor.
>>
>> The point is, I don't think you need to worry frantically about
>> replacing Alasdair with another PL. I would instead work hard to
>> find parties who can help fill other gaps in release engineering,
>> formal QA, and product packaging. I think also a project planner
>> would be helpful to the project, but not one who makes decisions for
>> the project but rather one who helps coordinate the product plans
>> and communicates this eg by producing gantt charts and acting as
>> secretary at team meetings etc.
>>
>> I am not offering to help with any of these as my plate is already
>> overfull. I am just offering my perspective is all.
>>
>> - Garrett
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Nick Zivkovic <zivkovic.nick at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:50 PM, <chrisjones at unixmen.com> wrote:
>> >> Although I am relatively new to the project and it is true I have not
>> >> contributed any code, I would be prepared to take on the role if there
>> >> was
>> >
>> > IMHO, a project lead should be one who contributes code and packages
>> > to OI. Otherwise, the project lead is just an expendable figure head
>> > with no real purpose.
>> >
>> > In order to set a release schedule, and so on, you have to be
>> > intimately familiar with the code that is being released.
>> >
>> > Before this discussion devolves into a governance orgy, I think that
>> > all we really need is people who write code, and make it publicly
>> > available, in a roughly synchronized way.
>> >
>> > We should have a network of developers. Not a hierarchy.
>> >
>> >> no one else suitable. Just some food for thought I guess. I think the
>> >> real
>> >> question is who is going to select the new Project Leader?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Even if a new project leader is selected by the community and sworn
>> > in, what difference will it make, other than making OI's situation
>> > _seem_ less dire?
>> >
>> > I think a de facto project leader will emerge from the ranks of
>> > programmers pretty much automatically. Most likely it will be the
>> > programmer that has had or is having the most profound impact on the
>> > OI project.
>> >
>> > But that's just my theory.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Chris Jones
>> >>
>> >>
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