[oi-dev] Fwd: [developer] Please review 4989 - BIS

Tue Jul 22 18:38:08 UTC 2014

gparted is a moot point anyway - if one is knowledgeable enough to dual-boot, one should know "diskpart shrink".

Chavdar

--- Original Message ---

From: "Garrett D'Amore" <garrett at damore.org>
Sent: 22 July 2014 19:22
To: "Nikola M." <minikola at gmail.com>
Cc: "OpenIndiana Developer mailing list" <oi-dev at openindiana.org>, "illumos-dev" <developer at lists.illumos.org>
Subject: Re: [oi-dev] Fwd: [developer] Please review 4989 - BIS

Btw, VirtualBox works on many platforms -- there it support for Windows,
Mac, Linux, Solaris, and illumos hosts.  It supports the same operating
systems as guests.  I don't think its quite up to the same performance and
integration standards as VMware, but its not far off either; I do have a
Mac mini that runs VirtualBox to occasionally boot up Windows, and it works
fine.  (Couldn't justify a VMware license for the minimal use case there --
I use that system to run my R/C flight simulator.)

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Nikola M. via illumos-developer <
developer at lists.illumos.org> wrote:

> On 07/22/14 05:11 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>
>> ntfs-3g doesn't depend on ntfsprogs.
>>
>> I'd not heard that GParted wasn't supported on illumos, although I'm not
>> terribly surprised.  These days, dual boot seems to be infrequently used --
>> long since supplanted by use of virtualization technology (which is lots
>> easier for everyone to use.)
>>
>> Does anyone within reach of this email still use dual boot systems?
>>  (Hmm... I had been doing so as recently as two years ago, and I still have
>> one system that is configured that way, but I've not booted 'the other
>> system' in a very long time indeed.)
>>
>> GParted was introduced to facilitate having users try out OpenSolaris on
>> their laptops running Windows.  It was seen as a key enabler for those
>> masses of low income students in China that ponytail was so intent on
>> luring with the desktop focus Sun had just prior to its acquisition by
>> Oracle.  Its unclear that the strategy had even small amounts of success in
>> that regard; VirtualBox was a much better approach IMO.
>>
>> If OI/hipster are prepared for this change, then I think it can proceed.
>>
> OI is not prepared for this change untill parted and gparted are put
> inside OI to serve it's users like they used to. (Would also thing other
> distros should be informed about is at least) If Gparted and parted are not
> illumos problem anymore, then don't let there be more problems for users.
>
> Also, if there were not 'ponytail', we probably won't have Opensolaris and
> therefore, illumos.
>
> And yes I am using laptop in dual-boot that had windows first installed.
> (an old laptop now but that should improve) Probably next laptop will be
> same configured if not triple booted with Linux.  And no, I am not Chinese
> if that matters...
> And yes it is crucial to give to people CD (or point them to USB image)
> and say: You have everything you need to install it in dual-boot without
> touching your current system to get know with the platform.
> Someone thinking that dual-boot is not important - is problem of
> perspective with interacting with New people.
>
> VirtualBox on illumos only works with OI. VirtualBox till recently was
> known for being slow for compiling illumos inside of it, maybe now is
> faster?
>
> Nonetheless, saying that people are using this and that should be backed
> up with some kind of research and
> my humble opinion is that Desktop/OI is important for illumos and removing
> things from illumos should be better coordinated (and explained).
> Yes, people will keep using dual-booting windows,Linux and I hope they
> would use OI to administer servers running on illumos distros.
> As I understand illumos exists to run on bare metal and provide VMs for
> other platforms and not other way around (What's new with illumos I/O
> drivers for KVM as a guest?)
>
> Saying to people not to run it on bare metal is not helping with defending
> platform market place as a whole and wide it's use base. And 'ponytail' was
> right on that.
>
> At the end of the day, best thing with OI Hipster is that it is using
> fresh build of updated illumos, and one using Openiindiana (Presumably
> running on laptop..) can in time observe things that affect users, kernel
> people don't care about.
> So they don't end up in messed up in a products users/customers would use.
> Last thing I witnessed is that Standby on my (dual-boot) laptop stopped
> working a while ago (it just locks with black screen and it used to work as
> far as March/2014 with no problem).
>
> nikolam
>
>
>
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