[oi-dev] OpenSXCE It is illegal to sell without source code.

[ken mays]

Hi Joerg,

Then, the solution is easy. People should offer him 'payable work' before asking for HIS contributions.

Martin asked for donations for his contribution - people have the freedom not to pay him as well as not use his work.
We pay bills to get provided services - but no payment means no services. How many established FOSS distro provides ask for
'payment' for their supported distro versions made 98% from FOSS contributions???

Some non-profit companies try to get funding since 'free work or trading' comes with a high utility overhead bill.

So if those asking for Martin's contributions won't make a donation to support his work - why should he do it???

People in the USA get paid $80/day to flip hamburgers and less to cut/trim/treat home lawns and wash vehicles...

He could easily update distros to Xnv 1.12.4 for both Schillix and OI in 1-2 days. Probably add in LibreOffice 4.1.3 and other software,
many things not 'maintained' consistently by most existing Illumos-based distros. Oh, and port over the Xorg Intel/Radeon drivers.

Many work projects 'not existing' today for OI or even Solaris 11.x. Many good contributions. Everybody wins.....

~K





On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:35 AM, Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling at fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
 


ken mays via oi-dev <oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:


> As for Martin, he did provide source for his initial releases and was going to make the latest patches available.
> He pretty much told others what he was doing to solve various issues and even where he was picking up some ideas and code. This was posted in a README and his blogs. Does he even have to spell it out for some people?!?
>
>
> Yet, 'demanding' one give you something for FREE without supporting them or funding their work is very petty and fruitless.
> Case in point, the various websites of BSD/Linux/other OS distros (and many commercial websites) where this topic comes up to
> gain patched source code for FREE (when an 'open source' license is being enforced).

Yes, Martin was even the only person that mentioned that his distro was based on 
SchilliX.

He did a lot of interesting things and it would be a great value for the 
community if he would offer his recent work for collaboration. 

His problem is that he likes to enforce payment for his work. This is not how 
things work. You get payed if you do something that is of what a customer 
demands. First doing work and then trying to enforce payment does not work.
I understand that his situation is not easy but OSS is givong away things for 
free and get payed for other things.

I work for a research institute for living and thus I am free to work for 
SchilliX in parts of my time. If I got a successful project, I may hire a 
student for SchilliX, but then I would hire someone to work on the most urgent 
goals and cannot pay Martin for something that has already been done. I hope 
that Martin will be able to get a job for living - the way others do too.



Jörg

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