[oi-dev] Would OI be interested in Pale Moon?

Wed Dec 11 09:32:05 UTC 2019

I concur. Some politeness goes a long way. This problem with the license
requirements however stems from firefox originally. Only that in
firefox'es case they fought with the debian community and lost. It seems
like the Palemoon community needs to have the same experience. Sadly....

Anyhow. Thanks for the work on Palemoon and bringing it to the point of
being distributed as binary. If you would like to contribute more to
OpenIndiana and learn how the oi-userland build system works have a look
at the developers corner in the docs [0]

Manifest files (p5m) are usually genered with the make target
"sample-manifest" and then have some small changes added on top. If any
special cases are required we point them out during Merging of the Pull
Request.

We would greatly welcome if you worked on more packages.

Greetings
Till

[0] http://docs.openindiana.org/dev/userland/

On 11.12.19 09:40, Alexander Pyhalov via oi-dev wrote:
> Hi.
> I was a bit of uncomfortable to point to this issue, but as others already mention this, let this be settled. We will not distribute Pale Moon via OI infrastructure. If someone has free cycles, I'd advice him to look at FF component, which needs some love.
> 
> Best regards,
> Alexander Pyhalov,
> system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department
> 
> ________________________________________
> От: Adam Števko <adam.stevko at gmail.com>
> Отправлено: 11 декабря 2019 г. 11:36
> Кому: OpenIndiana Developer mailing list
> Тема: Re: [oi-dev] Would OI be interested in Pale Moon?
> 
> Thanks Michal for pointing that out. I wasn’t aware of that. Additional reason to avoid it then :)
> 
>> On 11 Dec 2019, at 09:22, Michal Nowak via oi-dev <oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/11/19 07:38 AM, Jeremy Andrews wrote:
>>> I ported UXP to illumos and Solaris recently, and I got them to take the
>>> code upstream. I'm pretty anxious about the process now honestly, and
>>> really want everything to work out. There are a few things I'm worried
>>> about, though.
>>> 1. I'm not very familiar with how packages are actually packaged for OI,
>>> and the p5m file for Firefox in particular is... so complicated that
>>> I've been holding off creating a Pale Moon system package for OI until
>>> now, when they're pushing me to try. I was hoping that the subject
>>> wouldn't come up and they'd just want to distribute a binary .tar.xz
>>> file like they do for other operating systems (that kind of package is
>>> very easy to create with a single command). I'm so mixed up because the
>>> .p5m file for Firefox 52 looks so different from the one for Firefox 60,
>>> and includes all these header files, is for 32-bit, etc. And I'm trying
>>> to figure out which differences are due to a change in package design,
>>> and which are due to actual differences in Firefox.
>>> 2. Pale Moon has some unusual requirements. For one thing, it can't use
>>> the system NSS because Mozilla has changed the API somewhat since they
>>> forked. In general, they're leery of using system libraries over the
>>> ones in their own tree because sometimes those libraries have to be
>>> modified in specific ways for the browser. On top of that, they seem to
>>> have a problem with distributing the langpacks with the browser. They
>>> have a site where you can download a langpack of your choice, but you
>>> can't ship it with the browser for some reason.
>>> I'm kind of afraid now that I've done all this for nothing. I'm worried
>>> that their packaging requirements and our packaging requirements may not
>>> line up, and I'll wind up only being able to distribute a tarball on my
>>> own web space that no one will ever download. It's a very good browser,
>>> and the people behind it are actually decent people, but... I'm
>>> overwhelmed with the sense that I've gotten in over my head.
>>
>> Given the hostility Pale Moon developers showed towards a license non-complying OpenBSD port at https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86, I'd rather avoid this community at all.
>>
>> The other reason is maintenance cost on the OpenIndiana project. We already have Firefox and due to it's complexity it gives us hard time to keep-up even with ESR releases (currently we are stuck at version 60, 68 is the latest one; the story for the 52->60 transition was the same). Same with Thunderbird. I am afraid Pale Moon would be another chapter of the very same story.
>>
>> Michal
>>
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