[oi-dev] Shipping the nano editor alongside with vi
Michael Schuster
michaelsprivate at gmail.com
Mon Jan 11 09:15:08 UTC 2021
Hi Hung,
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:39 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <
oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> Maybe... I'm impolite. But what if I'm just visit here once for this
> purpose then?
>
> I only care about the result. Maybe I'm posted on the wrong mailing list.
> Maybe OI-discuss more fit?
>
> The only thing I want to see and to care is: the next version of OI, nano
> is included alongside of vi in the text and minimal version.
>
> It's just simple as that. Why make thing complicated?
>
> Or this whole DIY stuffs here is just a polite way to say: we don't care
> about your concern and it you could send we a pull request we may
> 'optionally' consider it?
>
> Then just said: 'Fuck off! We don't care!'. Straight forward so I could
> know to silently go away. This will not waste our time with a bunch of back
> and forth emails.
>
you don't seem to realise or appreciate the fact that this is a project
that is (almost?) exclusively driven by volunteers. As such, these
volunteers decide what gets done.
In such an environment, the best way to get things the way you want them
done is doing them yourself (not because people don't care, but because
their priorities aren't necessarily yours ... and because they're probably
quite busy doing stuff) - as you've found out, this requires effort on your
part. The second best option is asking, nicely, and offering your help on
the way and supplying as much information as possible (eg, error messages,
compiler output ... ).
Using language like "I want", "morons", "weird" will not put you or your
issue at the front of anyone's favourite list.
I don't see people telling you to go away - rather, they're (quite
politely, in my POV) telling you to follow what used to be called
"netiquette".
regards
Michael
>
> ---- On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:19:14 +0700 Tim Mooney via oi-dev <
> oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote ----
>
> > In regard to: Re: [oi-dev] Shipping the nano editor alongside with vi,
> Hung...:
> >
> > > Yes, it's just a single line. But why you give me a read-only file
> and
> > > asked me to modified it?
> > >
> > > It's much more simpler for developer with write access to do it, not
> me.
> > > And it's within a second, just a single line.
> >
> > I don't know if other languages and cultures have an equivalent, but
> there
> > is a proverb[1] that applies here:
> >
> > If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
> > If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
> >
> > Teaching someone (or helping them learn) how to do something is often
> > more useful than just doing something (once) for them.
> >
> > Aurélien is trying to help you to learn to fish.
> >
> > Learning how to clone oi-userland, create a branch, make a very simple
> > change like this, and submit a pull request (PR) is very useful
> knowledge
> > to have for anyone that wants to contribute to OI. There are certainly
> > other ways to contribute, but since you're posting to the oi-dev list,
> > it seems like you might be interested in the development process.
> Knowing
> > the workflow for submitting a change is potentially beneficial to you.
> >
> > Yes, he could do it in just a couple minutes. But then you've missed
> an
> > opportunity to learn something that might allow you to contribute to
> OI.
> >
> > [1] the origin of this proverb appears to be quite contested, but it
> > seems like it might be Lao-Tzu.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > ---- On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:49:50 +0700 Aurélien Larcher <
> aurelien.larcher at gmail.com> wrote ----
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:09 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <
> oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> > > > This should be done for none desktop OI flavors: OI text and OI
> minimal.
> > > >
> > > > It will help novice user like me very much. Please consider it,
> developers. I have trouble using the vi editor even though I have my mobile
> phone with me as a backup showing the vi tutorial. And I think many other
> novice users have the same trouble as me.
> > > >
> > > > Doing as Fedora is a step too far:
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-33-Nano-Is-The-Default
> > > >
> > > > I only asked for shipping nano alongside with vi. The link I put
> above just to note that nano has pretty much become the default editor on
> the Linux world and most of us come from Linux. It will be easier for us.
> Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > basically one could add the nano package to:
> > > >
> > > >
> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/blob/oi/hipster/components/meta-packages/install-types/includes/minimal
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Aurélien
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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