[oi-dev] Shipping the nano editor alongside with vi
Hung Nguyen Gia
gh_origin at zohomail.com
Mon Jan 11 16:32:28 UTC 2021
Sorry. I had a really bad day. I hope I could call back some of my mails. But it's impossible anyway.
---- On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:15:08 +0700 Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate at gmail.com> wrote ----
> Hi Hung,
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:39 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> Maybe... I'm impolite. But what if I'm just visit here once for this purpose then?
>
> I only care about the result. Maybe I'm posted on the wrong mailing list. Maybe OI-discuss more fit?
>
> The only thing I want to see and to care is: the next version of OI, nano is included alongside of vi in the text and minimal version.
>
> It's just simple as that. Why make thing complicated?
>
> Or this whole DIY stuffs here is just a polite way to say: we don't care about your concern and it you could send we a pull request we may 'optionally' consider it?
>
> Then just said: 'Fuck off! We don't care!'. Straight forward so I could know to silently go away. This will not waste our time with a bunch of back and forth emails.
>
> you don't seem to realise or appreciate the fact that this is a project that is (almost?) exclusively driven by volunteers. As such, these volunteers decide what gets done.
> In such an environment, the best way to get things the way you want them done is doing them yourself (not because people don't care, but because their priorities aren't necessarily yours ... and because they're probably quite busy doing stuff) - as you've found out, this requires effort on your part. The second best option is asking, nicely, and offering your help on the way and supplying as much information as possible (eg, error messages, compiler output ... ).
>
> Using language like "I want", "morons", "weird" will not put you or your issue at the front of anyone's favourite list.
>
> I don't see people telling you to go away - rather, they're (quite politely, in my POV) telling you to follow what used to be called "netiquette".
>
> regards
> Michael
>
>
> ---- On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:19:14 +0700 Tim Mooney via oi-dev <oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote ----
>
> > In regard to: Re: [oi-dev] Shipping the nano editor alongside with vi, Hung...:
> >
> > > Yes, it's just a single line. But why you give me a read-only file and
> > > asked me to modified it?
> > >
> > > It's much more simpler for developer with write access to do it, not me.
> > > And it's within a second, just a single line.
> >
> > I don't know if other languages and cultures have an equivalent, but there
> > is a proverb[1] that applies here:
> >
> > If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
> > If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
> >
> > Teaching someone (or helping them learn) how to do something is often
> > more useful than just doing something (once) for them.
> >
> > Aurélien is trying to help you to learn to fish.
> >
> > Learning how to clone oi-userland, create a branch, make a very simple
> > change like this, and submit a pull request (PR) is very useful knowledge
> > to have for anyone that wants to contribute to OI. There are certainly
> > other ways to contribute, but since you're posting to the oi-dev list,
> > it seems like you might be interested in the development process. Knowing
> > the workflow for submitting a change is potentially beneficial to you.
> >
> > Yes, he could do it in just a couple minutes. But then you've missed an
> > opportunity to learn something that might allow you to contribute to OI.
> >
> > [1] the origin of this proverb appears to be quite contested, but it
> > seems like it might be Lao-Tzu.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > ---- On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:49:50 +0700 Aurélien Larcher <aurelien.larcher at gmail.com> wrote ----
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:09 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> > > > This should be done for none desktop OI flavors: OI text and OI minimal.
> > > >
> > > > It will help novice user like me very much. Please consider it, developers. I have trouble using the vi editor even though I have my mobile phone with me as a backup showing the vi tutorial. And I think many other novice users have the same trouble as me.
> > > >
> > > > Doing as Fedora is a step too far: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-33-Nano-Is-The-Default
> > > >
> > > > I only asked for shipping nano alongside with vi. The link I put above just to note that nano has pretty much become the default editor on the Linux world and most of us come from Linux. It will be easier for us. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > basically one could add the nano package to:
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/blob/oi/hipster/components/meta-packages/install-types/includes/minimal
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Aurélien
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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