[oi-dev] Shipping the nano editor alongside with vi
Aurélien Larcher
aurelien.larcher at gmail.com
Mon Jan 11 16:40:32 UTC 2021
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 5:32 PM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <
oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> Sorry. I had a really bad day. I hope I could call back some of my mails.
> But it's impossible anyway.
>
This is fine, no problem.
Take care
Aurélien
>
>
> ---- On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:15:08 +0700 Michael Schuster <
> michaelsprivate at gmail.com> wrote ----
>
> > Hi Hung,
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:39 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <
> oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> > Maybe... I'm impolite. But what if I'm just visit here once for this
> purpose then?
> >
> > I only care about the result. Maybe I'm posted on the wrong mailing
> list. Maybe OI-discuss more fit?
> >
> > The only thing I want to see and to care is: the next version of OI,
> nano is included alongside of vi in the text and minimal version.
> >
> > It's just simple as that. Why make thing complicated?
> >
> > Or this whole DIY stuffs here is just a polite way to say: we don't
> care about your concern and it you could send we a pull request we may
> 'optionally' consider it?
> >
> > Then just said: 'Fuck off! We don't care!'. Straight forward so I
> could know to silently go away. This will not waste our time with a bunch
> of back and forth emails.
> >
> > you don't seem to realise or appreciate the fact that this is a project
> that is (almost?) exclusively driven by volunteers. As such, these
> volunteers decide what gets done.
> > In such an environment, the best way to get things the way you want
> them done is doing them yourself (not because people don't care, but
> because their priorities aren't necessarily yours ... and because they're
> probably quite busy doing stuff) - as you've found out, this requires
> effort on your part. The second best option is asking, nicely, and offering
> your help on the way and supplying as much information as possible (eg,
> error messages, compiler output ... ).
> >
> > Using language like "I want", "morons", "weird" will not put you or
> your issue at the front of anyone's favourite list.
> >
> > I don't see people telling you to go away - rather, they're (quite
> politely, in my POV) telling you to follow what used to be called
> "netiquette".
> >
> > regards
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > ---- On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:19:14 +0700 Tim Mooney via oi-dev <
> oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote ----
> >
> > > In regard to: Re: [oi-dev] Shipping the nano editor alongside with
> vi, Hung...:
> > >
> > > > Yes, it's just a single line. But why you give me a read-only
> file and
> > > > asked me to modified it?
> > > >
> > > > It's much more simpler for developer with write access to do it,
> not me.
> > > > And it's within a second, just a single line.
> > >
> > > I don't know if other languages and cultures have an equivalent,
> but there
> > > is a proverb[1] that applies here:
> > >
> > > If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
> > > If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
> > >
> > > Teaching someone (or helping them learn) how to do something is
> often
> > > more useful than just doing something (once) for them.
> > >
> > > Aurélien is trying to help you to learn to fish.
> > >
> > > Learning how to clone oi-userland, create a branch, make a very
> simple
> > > change like this, and submit a pull request (PR) is very useful
> knowledge
> > > to have for anyone that wants to contribute to OI. There are
> certainly
> > > other ways to contribute, but since you're posting to the oi-dev
> list,
> > > it seems like you might be interested in the development process.
> Knowing
> > > the workflow for submitting a change is potentially beneficial to
> you.
> > >
> > > Yes, he could do it in just a couple minutes. But then you've
> missed an
> > > opportunity to learn something that might allow you to contribute
> to OI.
> > >
> > > [1] the origin of this proverb appears to be quite contested, but
> it
> > > seems like it might be Lao-Tzu.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > > ---- On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:49:50 +0700 Aurélien Larcher <
> aurelien.larcher at gmail.com> wrote ----
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:09 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via oi-dev <
> oi-dev at openindiana.org> wrote:
> > > > > This should be done for none desktop OI flavors: OI text and OI
> minimal.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will help novice user like me very much. Please consider
> it, developers. I have trouble using the vi editor even though I have my
> mobile phone with me as a backup showing the vi tutorial. And I think many
> other novice users have the same trouble as me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doing as Fedora is a step too far:
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-33-Nano-Is-The-Default
> > > > >
> > > > > I only asked for shipping nano alongside with vi. The link I
> put above just to note that nano has pretty much become the default editor
> on the Linux world and most of us come from Linux. It will be easier for
> us. Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > basically one could add the nano package to:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/blob/oi/hipster/components/meta-packages/install-types/includes/minimal
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Aurélien
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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