[OpenIndiana-discuss] I figured this deserved a separate thread

Jonathan Adams t12nslookup at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 14:11:41 UTC 2010

not that my $0.02 is worth much, but Illumos and OpenIndiana, although
connected are separate entities.

If you compare this to Linux, Illumos is the kernel and OpenIndiana is
a distribution.

Additionally, OpenIndiana was set up to be a server distribution with
emphasis on apps needed to get the server running ... that is why it
was set up.

We'd need to look into creating a Desktop/Laptop Solaris Distro to
have all the usability tweaks and wifi/bluetooth changes where they
belong.  At that point only will it really be worthwhile having this

There are other Distributions available, but I don't like Belenix,
because I like Solaris to be Solaris (and also a previous version
fried my speakers during install), and most of the others don't have
the features I need.

Having said all that though ...

If we were planning on having a stable, a development and a bleeding
edge then that would be suitable in both Illumos _and_ Openindiana,
but not one or the other.

For the Kernel (Illumos) I would suggest that the current build might
be considered development, the most recent previous development build
be considered stable and the "bleeding edge" being an almost untested
git clone and build.

For the Distribution (OpenIndiana) I would suggest trying to follow
the example of Ubuntu in having a regular build and maybe a LTS every
18 months to 2 years (in a similar way to Solaris10 update N)

These should in general be considered stable, and try not to upgrade
the kernel, or major versions of apps unless security holes exist.

I would suggest trying where possible to separate usability apps from
core apps, with core apps admin being zealous of protecting the core
apps repository (yes I know that is annoying to most dev's who want
their files to be core) but it guarantees a core "server" style
installation without forcing a gui or photo managers etc.

On top of the core apps and usability apps repositories, I would
suggest another cutting edge repository with the latest versions of
all apps (Mozilla/Adobe this means you) and worry less about trying to
remain stable and known.

But this is not really anything to do with me.


On 4 November 2010 12:14, Nathan Evans <ndickinson.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> Who cares who can sue who,
> Well, the problem is here how do we market OpenIndiana and all this open
> source software effectively, how do we grow the community in a positive
> meaningful way. How to we make OpenIndiana & Illumos viable alternatives and
> brands that people can trust.
> The 33 people who left OpenOffice is a step toward disaster if we don't
> build these brands what we'll have is another OpenVMS....
> We need to find a distribution model that works, and a software stack that
> people can trust. The fact that we already have an AMAZING platform is a
> better starting point then most have. We have what was once dubbed 'The most
> advanced operating system in the world' we want to keep it that way.
> In my very humble opinion OpenIndiana should be used as our 'cutting/
> bleeding edge' and Illumous as our stable production. When they eventually
> both become that way. Similar to the old SXDE/Solaris model except
> unrestricted. People dislike change, so lets follow a formula they are
> currently familiar with.
> Once we have something going I'm sure a big company who will remain nameless
> at this point will look at our work and sponsor our little community.
> Mind you this is just an idea I had, let me know what you think, I enjoy the
> feed back.
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