[OpenIndiana-discuss] Sonicle XStreamOS repo and XStream Desktop in progress

Fri May 17 16:23:30 UTC 2013

At this point I think it would be better to hear from current OI devs. 
They might not necessarily agree with what Alasdair had to say about 
maintaining OI.

There are degrees of complexity and what's complicated for one might 
not be for another.

--
finid

On 2013-05-17 12:53, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
> The reason why Sonicle decided to run their own distro, is because we
> need a self mantained one
> as a base for our customers solutions.
> Also, note that also Alasdair mentioned about the difficulty of 
> mantaining OI.
> Actually OI is way too complicated, too many different build systems
> for different components.
> What we need is an easier and more unified way of building the distro.
> This is one reason why we're building the Desktop components the same
> way of userland system.
> We will probably try to move also X11 into userland, as having
> different build systems is hard to mantain.
> Gabriele.
> Da:
> Maxim Kondratovich
> A:
> Gabriele Bulfon
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> Oggetto:
> Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sonicle XStreamOS repo and XStream Desktop 
> in progress
> I'm not an active developer now,      but I started one task and I
> move forward but very slow because      of  insufficient time. I will
> have more time soon, I hope.
> My point of view that if everyone will try to do his own distro we
>  will have nothing. OI is a good distro and a lot of work was done.
>   I don't see any reason why we have to kill OI and start distro
> from scratch. It's a big mistake.
> If XStreanOS is based on a illumos why they are going to create
> their own Destop?! What is the difference from OI?! Yeah I know
> they have their own view at some technical features, but XStream
> Desktop will be not a commercial product (I think so) what is the
> goal?! Why just not to collaborate with existing community and
> continue work under OI. If they want they can just re brand final
> product... It's more easy than to do everything from scratch.
> P.S. I respect Sonicle for the try to do the Desktop for the
> community. But I think that to much companies (people) have their
> own vision at Desktop and nobody want's just to join to existing
> project and just do the work together.
> - Maxim
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> Then, my question is: how many OI developers out there? Are there any
> yet?Are you interested in joining our
> effort?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Da:
> finid at linuxbsdos.com
> A: Discussion list for OpenIndianaData: 15 maggio 2013 20.14.43
> CETOggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sonicle XStreamOS repo and
> XStream Desktop in progressYeah, it's a nice suggestion, but keep in
> mind that I'm not an OI devteam member.What about the other
> suggestions in the previous email?--finidOn 2013-05-15 17:36, Gabriele
> Bulfon wrote:This is a nice suggestion. We would welcome OI developers
> on ourbandwagon.This may happen a bit later, though. First we need
> some steps to bedone:- finish preparing and cleaning our own illumos,
> userland, X11,desktopland and pkg codebases,ready to be opened as
> final source gates.- have new iso files out very shortly as server,
> desktop, anddeveloper distros, as a starting point.- have our public
> pkg repo updated with the brand new packages, andfully tested for
> upgradesfrom previous XStreamOS iso.Once this is done, we can let OI
> developer join our code base andbring whatever needed.What do you
> think?Gabriele.Gabriele Bulfon - Sonicle S.r.l.Tel +39 028246016 Int.
> 30 - Fax +39 028243880via Santa Maria Valle 3 - 20123 - Milano - Italy
> http://www.sonicle.com
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> A: Discussion list for OpenIndianaData: 15 maggio 2013 16.21.29
> CETOggetto: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Sonicle XStreamOS repo and
> XStreamDesktop in progressHere's a suggestion to OI devs. How about
> getting together withSonicleto explore the possibility of merging OI
> and XStreamOS server anddesktop?I think it will be better for the
> community and for everybody and itwill bring more talent and resources
> to focus on a distributioninsteadof spreading it out to two different
> distros.What do you guys think?--finidOn 2013-05-15 12:52,
> finid at linuxbsdos.com
> wrote:Gabriele,A company-sponsored illumos desktop distribution is
> very welcome.Here are a few suggestions:1. A graphical installer will
> make it a hit for new users. Usersexpect one on a modern desktop
> distribution. If you don't have a guiinstaller yet, check out PC-BSD's
> graphical installer.    Might beeasier to port it than code one from
> scratch.2. Let's shoot for complete out of the box "it just works."
> Thatmeans, I install it and start being productive without having to
> messwith configuration files and other manual configuration that
> shouldwork by default. Think about those who do not want to learn how
> the OSworks before they can send email or interface with their friends
> onsocial networks.3. Excellent default physical and network security
> posture of the box.4. Graphical tools that makes it easy for new users
> to make use ofZFS' excellent features.5. On the app side, being able
> to choose between OpenOffice andLibeOffice is a good option,
> especially since their will be somefeature differences. This is minor,
> but you might want to not botherabout pdf readers. Firefox comes with
> a built-in PDF reader, which hasrendered a standalone PDF reader
> obsolete.6. LXDE sounds good for a desktop environment, but have
> youconsidered Cinnamon? It's one of the most popular ones we have
> aroundand because it's built atop GNOME 3 technologies, it's not
> veryresource intensive.That should get us started.Looking forward to
> the first public release, but if "outsiders" totake a look at it
> before it hits the download mirrors, I'll be morethan happy to take it
> for a spin.Thanks,--finid
> http://LinuxBSDos.com
> On 2013-05-15 09:28, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:Hi everyone,at Sonicle
> we've almost finished rebuilding a brand new IPS repo withupdated
> packages fromlatest illumos kernel, updated userland components, X11
> 1.13.1,updated pkg commands.We wanted to rebuild everything from
> available sources, to remove anypossible dependencyfrom old packages
> derived from OI.This repo will be available soon on our
> publicpkg.sonicle.com/xstreamos publisher, then a pkg updatewill do
> the job over any previous XStreamOS installation.Then, I'd like to
> announce that we're also working on a Desktopversion of
> XStreamOS.We've chosen, first, do deliver the LXDE desktop as a
> lightweightfrontend.So we have already packaged all the gnome and
> other dependencies inour userland.The desktop already works, and is
> nice.To make it usable, we're packaging all the typical application
> onemay need on a fresh install(file manager, text editor, calculator,
> terminal, and so on).We've also already packaged both Firefox 20.0.1
> and Thunderbird17.0.5, and they work great on illumos.We have plan to
> pre-package open-office or libre-office, pdf readers,media apps and so
> on.We would like your suggestions for what you would expect to have on
> aDesktop distro of XStreamOS.Thanks!Gabriele Bulfon.Gabriele Bulfon -
> Sonicle S.r.l.Tel +39 028246016 Int. 30 - Fax +39 028243880via Santa
> Maria Valle 3 - 20123 - Milano - Italy
> http://www.sonicle.com
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