[OpenIndiana-discuss] SunRay on hipster; was Surprising bug (???) migrating a root pool
Jim Klimov
jimklimov at cos.ru
Fri Sep 23 09:47:19 UTC 2016
23 сентября 2016 г. 9:51:49 CEST, "Aurélien Larcher" <aurelien.larcher at gmail.com> пишет:
>On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Мартин Бохниг via openindiana-discuss
><openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> yep, that's clear (pls. see my mail).
>>
>> But my question was, why they are defined as mutually exclusive.
>> It is in 99% of cases perhaps a valid expectation, that newer is
>better than older and that 4.9 superceedes 4.7 and that you at best
>keep one copy of gcc3.x in place (the newest one) plus the same for 4.x
>(4.9) and some day 5.x (at the moment 5.4).
>>
>> But why can's a user have both 4.9 and 4.7 plus 4.8 at once?
>>
>> That was defined like this in the manifests and I'm not yet anough
>familiar with ips to know every nitty gritty.
>> But my proposal is to change this back to a scenario where I can
>install what I want (of those packages that are available).
>>
>> In /usr/gcc there is no filesystem namespace conflict.
>> Or are the really poor symlinks to /usr/bin the the reason for this
>exclusiveness?
>>
>> IMHO not an ideal design, same remarks as with Qt4.8 versus whatever.
>
>The situation is already as you say for GCC, Qt, clang and the MPI
>implementations etc... and even with JPEG libraries.
>We always have several version installed in their own prefix and
>symlinks to the current default in /usr
>
>For GCC they even have their own copy of gmp, mpfr and mpc.
>For gcc-5 I provided *-5 symlinks in /usr/bin but they do not harm
>anyone.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Aurelien
>
>>
>> I could look myslef, but let me simply ask: Are the symlinks to
>/usr/bin part of the same package or of extra dedicated symlinks
>packages?
>> If not the latter, then the former should in the future be changed
>into the latter, no?
>>
>> Forgive me if I am missing anything here.
>> On my old OpenSXCE devel machine I got used to having all compilers
>installed at once (in /usr/gcc) and no silly symlinks to /usr/bin.
>>
>> It is sometimes very useful to have all compilers quickly at hand for
>an instant comparison.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> best regards,
>> %martin bochnig
>>
>>
>>
>>>Пятница, 23 сентября 2016, 7:23 UTC от Alexander Pyhalov
><alp at rsu.ru>:
>>>
>>>On 09/23/16 10:19 AM, Мартин Бохниг via openindiana-discuss wrote:
>>>> Ok, another self-correction after a long Vbox night.
>>>>
>>>> gcc4.5 is not in the repo (although it was for a long time part of
>userland along with 4.7 and 4.8).
>>>>
>>>> Obviously I cannot install something (gcc4.5) which isn't in the
>repo.
>>>
>>>Hi.
>>>
>>>Currently, we provide
>>>
>>>$ pkg info -r developer/gcc*
>>> Name: developer/gcc-3
>>> Summary: gcc - The GNU C compiler
>>> Description: GNU C - The GNU C compiler 3.4.3
>>> Category: Development/C
>>> State: Not installed
>>> Publisher: openindiana.org
>>> Version: 3.4.3
>>> Branch: 2016.0.0.1
>>>Packaging Date: July 29, 2016 11:29:45 PM
>>> Size: 89.83 MB
>>> FMRI:
>>>pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gcc-3@3.4.3-2016.0.0.1:20160729T232945Z
>>> Project URL: http://gcc.gnu.org/
>>> Source URL:
>>>http://dlc.openindiana.org/oi-build/source-archives/gcc-3.4.3.tar.gz
>>>
>>># As you can see, this one was removed:
>>> Name: developer/gcc-47
>>> State: Not installed (Obsolete)
>>> Publisher: openindiana.org
>>> Version: 4.7.4
>>> Branch: 2015.0.2.0
>>>Packaging Date: August 16, 2016 05:57:15 PM
>>> Size: 0.00 B
>>> FMRI:
>>>pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gcc-47@4.7.4-2015.0.2.0:20160816T175715Z
>>>
>>> Name: developer/gcc-48
>>> Summary: GNU Compiler Collection
>>> Category: Development/C
>>> State: Not installed
>>> Publisher: openindiana.org
>>> Version: 4.8.5
>>> Branch: 2016.0.0.1
>>>Packaging Date: July 29, 2016 11:30:11 PM
>>> Size: 465.49 MB
>>> FMRI:
>>>pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gcc-48@4.8.5-2016.0.0.1:20160729T233011Z
>>> Project URL: http://gcc.gnu.org/
>>> Source URL:
>http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-4.8.5/gcc-4.8.5.tar.bz2
>>>
>>> Name: developer/gcc-49
>>> Summary: GNU Compiler Collection
>>> Category: Development/C
>>> State: Installed
>>> Publisher: openindiana.org
>>> Version: 4.9.4
>>> Branch: 2016.0.0.0
>>>Packaging Date: August 13, 2016 02:25:36 PM
>>> Size: 518.15 MB
>>> FMRI:
>>>pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gcc-49@4.9.4-2016.0.0.0:20160813T142536Z
>>> Project URL: http://gcc.gnu.org/
>>> Source URL:
>http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-4.9.4/gcc-4.9.4.tar.bz2
>>>
>>> Name: developer/gcc-5
>>> Summary: GNU Compiler Collection
>>> Category: Development/C
>>> State: Not installed
>>> Publisher: openindiana.org
>>> Version: 5.4.0
>>> Branch: 2016.0.1.1
>>>Packaging Date: September 12, 2016 12:19:32 PM
>>> Size: 667.23 MB
>>> FMRI:
>>>pkg://openindiana.org/developer/gcc-5@5.4.0-2016.0.1.1:20160912T121932Z
>>> Project URL: http://gcc.gnu.org/
>>> Source URL:
>http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-5.4.0/gcc-5.4.0.tar.bz2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Best regards,
>>>Alexander Pyhalov,
>>>system administrator of Southern Federal University IT department
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Just for completeness: there are symlinks delivered in common paths like /usr/bin that point to a current default version picked by user and installed into a unique non-conflicting location. This is done (and changed) with IPS mediator 'actions'.
Hope this helps,
Jim
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