[OpenIndiana-discuss] ALSA library/LibAsound for OpenIndiana?

[Chris]

On 2021-03-01 06:11, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss wrote:
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> On Monday, March 1, 2021 8:58 PM, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss
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>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:14 AM, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss 
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>> > On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 6:38 PM, cretin1997 via openindiana-discuss openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org wrote:
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>> > > Could you consider port this very essential library from Linux to OI? I know ALSA is Linuxism. But Linuxism has spread into many applications. Now ALSA library is a hard requirement for sound support on Unix-like platforms of some applications. They are first developed on Linux and as ALSA library has been ported to many other Unix-like OSes as well, they just set ALSA library as a hard requirement. Of course a skillful developer could patch the code to use the platform specific facility. But I'm not one of them and ALSA library is the last piece to be able to build the software on OI. Please help.
>> > > ALSA library is available on all BSDs. The only Unix-like OS doesn't have ALSA library is OpenIndiana/Illumos.
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>> > No one interested?
>> > Currently I could build this with a small hack:
>> > https://github.com/cnjinhao/nana
>> > But no sound at all. Because of no ALSA library.
>> > Please note that ALSA library and ALSA itself is not the same.
>> > Porting ALSA library doesn't mean you need to pull in the whole Linux sound infrastructure.
>> > Please have a look at it.
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>> No one care about this?
>> 
>> It's just a small library, but it helps many applications.
>> 
>> Do you ever care about the productivity of your users? I think not. Please 
>> don't tell me port it myself. Because if I can, I already did it.
>> 
>> Or do you want me to ask for the mercy of pkgsrc? No, absolutely no. I saw 
>> there is a ALSA library port on pkgsrc. But the weakness of pkgsrc is it's 
>> not integrate with the system. I will ended up building everything as it 
>> dependencies even though I have no use for them! pkgsrc doesn't use system 
>> library. It always build it own. It's a huge waste of time and most of the 
>> time it failed to build one random dependency and render the whole thing 
>> failed, too.
>> 
>> Using OI as a workstation to do software development is impossible. Your OS 
>> is too useless. What's the use of it? A graphical server with a web browser 
>> so you could surf the web while working with your server via a graphical 
>> interface? This is too primitive to be even called a desktop. But if you 
>> say so, I will stop to expect anything more from OI.
>> 
>> Best regards.
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> 
> Please don't blame everything on Linuxism. Linuxism is a reality we have to 
> live
> with. I know definitely someone will go and shout to my face about Linuxism, 
> we
> are a small team, port it yourself we welcome patches, blah blah... Some old
> school die hard Unix veterans will come and shout to my face you youngster!, 
> Unix
> as an IDE!, blah blah... No. I don't care. By IDE I mean a real IDE, not a
> discipline. I don't care about your discipline, to be clear.
> 
> Even if doing the development enjoying all of the modern tools on Linux and 
> only
> build the software to deploy on OI, it's still a lot of troubles. Getting 
> the
> library you use to build and work on OI is already a showstopper. Why do you 
> even
> dream of more software running on OI? It's unrealistic!
> 
All rubbish aside. It's *not* that nobody cares. In fact, if I could set an 
hours
time aside. I could get the alsalib packaged for IO. So now that it's 
available
and installed. You'll ask; why doesn't my application work? It uses Alsa and 
I
installed alsalib. But it's still not working -- translation; I have to 
familiarize
myself with your favorite applications and set aside an hours time for each 
of them
and change/add to them the ability to use alsalib.

IOW it looks easy from the outside-in. But not so, from the inside-out. Make 
no
mistake; your request has merit. It's just going to take someone, or several
people with the necessary time, to make the changes necessary to incorporate 
Alsa.

HTH

--Chris

-- 
~10yrs a FreeBSD maintainer of ~160 ports
~40yrs of UNIX