[OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] [discuss] Making OI friendly to new users

[Atiq Rahman]

Hi Till,
Thanks for the reply.

> I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue
For me, this has been an issue. At present, the OI installer does not
present an option to install in UEFI system without dedicating a whole disk
to it.

As a workaround, I am choosing *Install_to_ExistingPool* by pressing F5. If
you are following mailing lists you're probably seeing I am reinventing the
wheel: manually taking care of stuff the installer is not doing when that
option is chosen.

New users might not have that much energy to go through all that to add an
OS (or they might call it distro) to their portable device.

Also, for new contributors (on donation or funding side of the foundation),
where is the info related to the budget, for example, how is budget
allocated? How much appox. was spent on what part of the products from
prior funding? These info will help me understand how much I should
contribute or whether the plan will actually improve things we are
interested in and in reasonable time line. Because right now, critical TODO
tasks seem to be significantly delayed, if this is how it continues
prospect doesn't look good.

Sincerely,

Atiq

On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 3:04 AM Till Wegmüller <toasterson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric
>
> I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue or the Proxmox one. I am not
> always listening on all Lists, but we are trying to build a Association
> with Stakeholders for that effort like the FreeBSD foundation. If you
> are interested in signing up let me know so I can send you the details.
> I kept things like the Bylaw drafts etc off list but I am happy to send
> them through.
>
> -Till
>
> On 13.08.25 04:06, Eric J Bowman wrote:
> > These responses prove OP's point exactly. Want gfx? Refer to the manual
> > on how to write your own driver, despite the problem being NV Optimus
> > cards "fall off the bus" because loader doesn't map above 4GB, making it
> > not a driver issue. Where's the guidance from the community, other than
> > go figure this out for yourself but don't bother us unless you have code
> > to commit, then if you get stuck... maybe this is why so few developers?
> > Maybe a 15-year out-of-date graphics stack is an argument against
> > continuing largely as you have?
> >
> > Hard to work on the kernel when none of the distros boot on non-CSM
> > UEFI, or the latest Proxmox, no Ventoy et al compatibility because
> > it's /EFI not /efi... maybe those of you who know what the issues are
> > can write them down and solicit some specific help? Instead of sending
> > everyone who asks on a wild goose chase while you play the victim card
> > of "too few developers here"? Just say up front: No AMD gfx, no Intel
> > HD630+, no NV Optimus, no UEFI-only boxes need apply, instead of
> > whatever compels all y'all to just keep ignoring folks who post to your
> > list, or giving them misleading answers...?
> >
> > Or just state outright, that the stakeholders who control access aren't
> > interested in making illumos friendly to new users in 2025, meaning
> > it'll be gone by 2030 if y'all keep this up.
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 17:01:38 -0700 *Ren Kararou via illumos-discuss
> > <discuss at lists.illumos.org>* wrote ---
> >
> >         You may say "ah, but I am not a kernel developer, I can not do
> those
> >         things"!  But the kernel is just a big C program, and everybody
> >         who is
> >         comfortable working on it now started out from a point where
> >         they were
> >         not yet able to do that.
> >
> >         If you want to see progress, pick an issue and work on it.  Other
> >         folks in the community can provide advice and help you if you get
> >         stuck!  Otherwise, things will continue largely as they have.
> >
> >
> >     Tacking on to this, the illumos website has lots of valuable
> >     documentation on this exact topic, generally at https://illumos.org/
> >     books/ <https://illumos.org/books/> and more specifically for
> >     drivers and such at https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html
> >     <https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html#preface>
> >
> >     Ren
> >     *illumos <https://illumos.topicbox.com/latest>* / illumos-discuss /
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> >
> >
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