[oi-dev] INTEL, IA32, i80686, AMD64 *is* *well* *supported* by OpenSXCE: Some run it on theit Netbook! - OR: The ability to read a text and absorb information

Bayard Bell buffer.g.overflow at gmail.com
Sun Jun 9 11:26:34 UTC 2013


The noise-to-signal ratio on these posts to world+dog is deeply
inconsiderate. Please set up a distro-specific list and invite those who
are interested.

On 8 Jun 2013, at 23:51, G B <g_patrickb at yahoo.com> wrote:

I downloaded and went to install OpenSXCE and chose not to proceed when I
was prompted with the language.  Being from the United States of America I
selected English, but there was no option for US, but there was Canada, New
Zealand, Britain, Australia, and maybe another I'm missing.  If this was an
oversight on your behalf, then my apologies, but if it was intentional
because of your dislike of the USA for some personal reason, then I'm not
going to bother with your operating system.

I served in the US Air Force, my uncle was a navigator on a B-52 during
Vietnam, my mother's husband was in the US Air Force in Vietnam, my
grandfather was in the US Army in the Pacific during WWII, another uncle
served 30 years in the US State Dept.  A good friend of mine served in the
US Navy in Vietnam.  You see, my blood doesn't bleed red, it bleeds Red,
White, & Blue.

Your largest user base would likely be the USA, but by neglecting to add
the country to the language during installation it seems you are making a
statement, and so am I.  I refuse to use it.  If you add the USA then I may
look at it, but won't go out of my way.  As I said before, if this was just
an oversight then you have my apologies.  Otherwise, good luck with your
endeavor.


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 *From:* Martin Bochnig <martin at martux.org>
*To:* Discussion list for OpenIndiana <openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org>;
OpenIndiana Developer mailing list <oi-dev at openindiana.org>;
developer at lists.illumos.org; discuss at lists.illumos.org; Martin Bochnig <
martin at martux.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:26 AM
*Subject:* [oi-dev] INTEL, IA32, i80686, AMD64 *is* *well* *supported* by
OpenSXCE: Some run it on theit Netbook! - OR: The ability to read a text
and absorb information


Unfortunately I was forced to re-join and then re-unsubscribe to finally
debunk some neverdying MYTHS.


INTEL, IA32, i80686, AMD64 *is* *well* *supported* by OpenSXCE: Some run it
on theit Netbook! -
OR: The ability to read a text and absorb information


I followed the discussion from the archives at
http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2013-June/date.htmland
I'm shocked about all the nonsense that people can claim uncorrected,
about what OpenSXCE is all about.
I have always re-iterated all these technical aspects over and over again,
when I was still on the Illumos and OI lists.
To me it looks as if few ever read even the subject line.

I also wrote all this to twitter.com/martinbochnig, twitter.com/opensxce,
facebook.com/opensxce, facebook.com/martinbochnig, OpenSXCE's blog
http://opensxce.blogspot.de/ as well as to contributors in probably
hundreds of private messages and skype calls, plus google chats.

It is a real mystery, why such NONSENSE can be claimed days-long without
being corrected by or understood by the majority (BIG THANKS TO THE GOOD
SOULS, who tried it) :

OpenSXCE is SPARC-only: WRONG
OpenSXCE is not based on Illumos: WRONG
OpenSXCE will in the future not (indirektly) be based on Illumos modified
OS/Net: WRONG
OpenSXCE is Desktop-only: WRONG
OpenSXCE is instable crap: WRONG
OpenSXCE has "no users": WRONG
Igor's DilOS.org OS/Net doesn't update itself to incorporate always the
most recent stuff from Illumos (except where he has implemented things
better, as you can read on his site or my blog) : WRONG
MartinBochnig never works together with others: WRONG
MartinBochnig never writes technical details to these technical lists: WRONG


See my the OpenSXCE Blog, for example:
OH “DilOS brings in the waffle cones” - Ken Mays / PLUS: *Hypocrisy*
http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2013/06/oh-dilos-brings-in-waffle-cones-ken.html


DilOS-OS/Net: The more I learn from and about Igor, the more I have to
wonder why nobody ever put attention to him! But: He avoids fights.
He rather writes code, code, code

http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2013/06/dilos-osnet-more-i-learn-from-and-about.html



Will you ever notice, that x86/x64 is also supported?

what OpenSXCE actually is about: IA32, AMD64, sun4u, sun4v.
You and everybody could read this from the beginning on (in bold letters:
*COULD*).

[OpenIndiana-discuss] A potential new Illumos reference distro candidate:
IA32, AMD64, sun4u, sun4v
http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2012-December/010922.html


I do not bitch around because "nobody uses my distro", because - believe it
or not: That's not the case.
I simply think, that if somebody talks about me or my work, he should at
least have a clue, what he is talking about. And YES: I guess I do have
this humble right, as anybody has and should have.

If you (most at OI and Illumos) never read what I write, maybe it is easier
to watch my x86 screenshots:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157633874850547/



To avoid ambiguity I should add: Although these pkgutil'ified SVR4 pkgs can
sit on any filesystem anf can be installed via file:// without httpd, by
default every user gets them from the cloud:
  http://svr4.opensxce.org/i386/5.11/
   What do you say now?
 It works like IPS, only 3 times as quickly, plus without all these bugs,
constraints and design flaws.


OpenSXCE 2013.05 x86 && x64 Screenshots

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157633874850547/

Main Home (thanks to Ken Mays!) :      http://opensxce.org/

http://svr4.opensxce.org/i386/5.11/ <http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/>
http://svr4.opensxce.org/sparc/5.11/

BLOG: http://opensxce.blogspot.de/

OpenSXCE's benefits of using DilOS.org's OS/Net over vanilla Illumos, as
explained to us by DilOS inventor, author and maintainer Igor Kozhukhov:
http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2013/06/opensxces-benefits-of-using-dilosorgs.html


A fair, open-minded discussion of the 3rd kind
(OR: me explaining everything to a good man from behind the iron fence)
http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2013/06/a-fair-open-minded-discussion-of-3rd.html


DilOS-OS/Net: The more I learn from and about Igor, the more I have to
wonder why nobody ever put attention to him! But: He avoids fights.

He rather writes code, code, code

http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2013/06/dilos-osnet-more-i-learn-from-and-about.html



UNBELIEVABLE: Nobody at OI nor Illumos seems to have ever read enough to
figure out, OpenSXCE also supports x86:
http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2013/06/unbelievable-nobody-at-oi-nor-illumos.html




        http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris
            https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig



And for the last time:


Some of you are that much deceitful and your words are that much full of
hypocrisy, I wonder why only few notice this, or rather: Dare to speak it
out. I have a lot of backers who say exactly the same, just not in public.
Look at my twitter acounts @martinbochnig and @opensxce. Only 2 folks have
unsubscribed, and these are the ones that I blocked unsubscribed myself
first.

To avoid ambiguity I should add: Although these pkgutil'ified SVR4 pkgs can
sit on any filesystem anf can be installed via file:// without httpd, by
default every user gets them from the cloud:
  http://svr4.opensxce.org/i386/5.11/
   What do you say now?
 It works like IPS, only 3 times as quickly, plus without all these bugs,
constraints and design flaws.
  LBNL: One of the reasons, why it does not have as many users as it could
have: NOBODY at Illumos ever made, nor intended to make any news release to
the more influental news wire channels, such as El Reg. Much in contrast to
the launch of OI in 2010.
  Nobody should confuse reason and result.


Also about somebody's "He's a talented fellow no doubt, but building a
distro and maintaining a kernel are not in the same league"": I won't post
his private message, just 2 parts: "The development of OI and IPS is none
of my concern. I'm not a distro engineer.". Now my Q: Let alone moral, what
gives him the _technical_ expertise then, to write something like this to
world?!

2nd part of his reply: "fuck you!"

And my response:

Garrett is only interested in rescuing his struggeling biz.

You probably need a longer term perspective: It is hard if not impossible
to monetize this "community". Earlier or later commercial involvement into
OpenSolaris will have little chance of sustainability, amortization. Look
into the future: In 5 or 10 or 20 years, none of these businesses will
manage to survive in the extremely competitive LinUX/UNIX market any
longer. All that will survive is the true community, compare it to *BSD.

And the true community, unaffilliatd from any commercial interests, may use
something like OpenSXCE2018.08 then.


Anyways, Good to know  ...

Who is "bitching around"?????

I never used insulting language even remotely as insulting as "2
different leagues" or just now "fuck you".

Well, and do you know: I prefer girls   ...





LBNL: One of the reasons, why it does not have as many users as it could
have: NOBODY at Illumos ever made, nor intended to make any news release to
the more influental news wire channels, such as El Reg. Much in contrast to
the launch of OI in 2010.
  Nobody should confuse CAUSE and result.



respectfully and with full right disappointed

%martin bochnig






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