[oi-dev] Fw: Re: Is it possible for OpenIndiana and DilOS to cooperate together?

[cretin1997]

> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 2:45 AM, Chris oidev at sunos.info wrote:
>
> > On 2021-03-24 05:59, cretin1997 via oi-dev wrote:
> >
> > > I'm honest, I liked DilOS more than OpenIndiana. But OI is the only working
> > > graphical Illumos and I have no other choices.
> > > DilOS wanted to support graphical environment, too. I asked Igor about that
> > > and he
> > > gave me the milestones. The day DilOS will have a desktop is too far in the
> > > future.
> > > So what about the possibility of cooperating between two projects? DilOS
> > > will give
> > > OpenIndiana a much better base and OpenIndiana could help a graphical DilOS
> > > possible.
> >
> > > Imagine, DilOS is Debian and OpenIndiana is Ubuntu. Both sides will win,
> > > and the users will win, too.
> >
> > Sort of.
> > I'm not keen on the idea of ZoL (ZFSonLinux) the OI version is better. :-)
> > Package management; while I suppose it's easy to use a DEB package manager,
> > and import a bunch of Linux based applications. In the short run, it'd be a
> > LOT
> > of work, and a seemingly good amount of Linux shims for OI to introduce. Is
> > this
> > the best plan for the long run?
> > OTOH if their graphics stack is better/more polished. Hijacking for OI seems
> > tempting. :-)
> > Mind you these are my opinions, and may, or may not be shared by others.
> > :-)
> > --Chris
> >
> > > Please let me know what the two sides think about this. Sorry Igor, I know I
> > > should ask you first but I posted there anyway and waiting for the answers
> > > from
> > > both of you.
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>

As I know, DilOS doesn't introduce any new Linux shims. They just grab Debian's packages sources, patch it to build on their OS and packaged it. Alongside with that, DilOS also provided many of it own packages, too. It's not a Debian/kIllumos. It uses Debian packaging technology and Debian packages sources to minimize the maintenance effort. And no, it doesn't have a superior graphics stack than OI. OI's graphics stack is the best on the Illumos world. DilOS's graphics stack is almost non-existent. I can't even install the xorg package because of umet dependencies!

DilOS seems to use the same framework as OI to build packages, but they hacked it to produce DEB packages instead of IPS packages. Integrating OI userland into it seems to not as difficult as you think.

OI doesn't have to maintain any Linux shims like that said. On a plain DilOS system, one could add the APT repo of OI, then after that:

apt update && apt install mate-install

Done. We will have a working graphical environment on DilOS, based on OI's works.

I can't think of any problems when rebasing OI on DilOS at all. If OI want to be "Hipster" it could track the unstable or testing branch of DilOS, it's almost as rolling release as the current Hipster.

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