[OpenIndiana-discuss] The name: "OpenIndiana" (part II)

[Christopher Chan]

Daniel Kjar wrote:
> Perhaps the problem is the mail-list way this is being discussed.  
> People feel that they 'need' to read these things since they are in 
> their inbox.  I too don't see any reason to be impolite or tell people 
> to stop discussing something simply because a person feels that 
> everything is the best of all possible worlds.   It hurts no-one 
> discussing this and you never know, maybe somebody has the best name 
> ever hiding somewhere in the back of their minds.  Not saying 
> openindiana (really, those of you that haven't been to Indiana should go 
> there, the name wouldn't be so attractive to you then) isn't a good 
> name, just that their might be something better out there.

No, the problem is an unfair attack and an attempt to twist certain 
statements out of context to justify said attack.

As for the name change, it has not been demonstratively shown that a 
change will bring immense benefits no matter how great the name.


> 
> If this were a real online forum rather than a mail list with an online 
> archive some of these issues of 'don't waste my time' would disappear.
> 
> On 10/10/2010 09:31 AM, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>> Well, I told a few many times that I am ok with openindiana, and there
>> is no one trying to change anything we are just exchanging ideas an
>> trying to give some new perspectives to the thing. This is a basic
>> procedure in all creative process.  This has nothing to do about "my
>> distro as I like it" or "your distro as you like it".
>> Talking and exchange of opinions should happen out of this kind of
>> interventions.
>> What I don't understand is the completely protective attitude. As it
>> is counter productive to the project I highlight it, and as it is not
>> very polite, I highlight the subject as well.
>> If a group of people is bringing ideas on the table, a "could you
>> please stop" is not a proper answer.
>>
>> I have been involved in group collaborations for the last 15 years,
>> and to my experience, even if it is seen as childish, requesting to
>> stop that kind of attitude is best from the beginning. And talking
>> openly, and respecting others is best. Ending subjects kills many
>> things, therefore it is negative for the whole cause.
>>
>> BR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Christopher Chan
>> <christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>  wrote:
>>   
>>> Gabriel,
>>>
>>> Grow up. It is pretty clear that few are interested in seeing a name 
>>> change
>>> and I personally like how OpenIndiana connects things back to the 
>>> roots of
>>> Illumos. If you do not like it, you are free to start your own 
>>> distribution
>>> and call it whatever you like.
>>>
>>> Now if you wanted to contribute packages, had good quality 
>>> contributions and
>>> you are being excluded for some non-technical reason, then you would 
>>> have a
>>> case. Just because James was a bit more direct than others does not 
>>> mean he
>>> is trying to shut you up but is pointing out that this change name 
>>> thing is
>>> concluded.
>>>
>>> Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>>>     
>>>> "OpenIndiana is part of the Illumos Foundation, and provides a true
>>>> open source community alternative to Solaris 11 and Solaris 11
>>>> Express, with an open development model and full community
>>>> participation."
>>>>
>>>> James, shutting up the mouth of others does not fit in that 
>>>> description.
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to help, and expecting some basic politeness wasn't really
>>>> much to ask. Terms such as Open- or community don't really fit such an
>>>> attitude.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck
>>>> Gab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz
>>>> <gabriel.delacruz at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> Ok, if please don't help. no help then.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM, James 
>>>>> O'Gorman<james at netinertia.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>> On 9 Oct 2010, at 17:07, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> I like as well other variations such as "Indiana CORE". That will 
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> if we intend this distro to be the mother-ship distro, and we intend
>>>>>>> others to derive from it.
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>> Illumos is the "core". We are a distribution of Illumos. Other
>>>>>> distributions should also be derived from Illumos, not from us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we drop all these name discussions now, please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
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