[OpenIndiana-discuss] The name: "OpenIndiana" (part II)

[Gabriel de la Cruz]

My "twisted statement" relies on appealing the fact there is no mutual
respect, for that you are making great contribution, "grow up"?.




On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Christopher Chan
<christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
> Daniel Kjar wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the problem is the mail-list way this is being discussed.  People
>> feel that they 'need' to read these things since they are in their inbox.  I
>> too don't see any reason to be impolite or tell people to stop discussing
>> something simply because a person feels that everything is the best of all
>> possible worlds.   It hurts no-one discussing this and you never know, maybe
>> somebody has the best name ever hiding somewhere in the back of their minds.
>>  Not saying openindiana (really, those of you that haven't been to Indiana
>> should go there, the name wouldn't be so attractive to you then) isn't a
>> good name, just that their might be something better out there.
>
> No, the problem is an unfair attack and an attempt to twist certain
> statements out of context to justify said attack.
>
> As for the name change, it has not been demonstratively shown that a change
> will bring immense benefits no matter how great the name.
>
>
>>
>> If this were a real online forum rather than a mail list with an online
>> archive some of these issues of 'don't waste my time' would disappear.
>>
>> On 10/10/2010 09:31 AM, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I told a few many times that I am ok with openindiana, and there
>>> is no one trying to change anything we are just exchanging ideas an
>>> trying to give some new perspectives to the thing. This is a basic
>>> procedure in all creative process.  This has nothing to do about "my
>>> distro as I like it" or "your distro as you like it".
>>> Talking and exchange of opinions should happen out of this kind of
>>> interventions.
>>> What I don't understand is the completely protective attitude. As it
>>> is counter productive to the project I highlight it, and as it is not
>>> very polite, I highlight the subject as well.
>>> If a group of people is bringing ideas on the table, a "could you
>>> please stop" is not a proper answer.
>>>
>>> I have been involved in group collaborations for the last 15 years,
>>> and to my experience, even if it is seen as childish, requesting to
>>> stop that kind of attitude is best from the beginning. And talking
>>> openly, and respecting others is best. Ending subjects kills many
>>> things, therefore it is negative for the whole cause.
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Christopher Chan
>>> <christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gabriel,
>>>>
>>>> Grow up. It is pretty clear that few are interested in seeing a name
>>>> change
>>>> and I personally like how OpenIndiana connects things back to the roots
>>>> of
>>>> Illumos. If you do not like it, you are free to start your own
>>>> distribution
>>>> and call it whatever you like.
>>>>
>>>> Now if you wanted to contribute packages, had good quality contributions
>>>> and
>>>> you are being excluded for some non-technical reason, then you would
>>>> have a
>>>> case. Just because James was a bit more direct than others does not mean
>>>> he
>>>> is trying to shut you up but is pointing out that this change name thing
>>>> is
>>>> concluded.
>>>>
>>>> Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "OpenIndiana is part of the Illumos Foundation, and provides a true
>>>>> open source community alternative to Solaris 11 and Solaris 11
>>>>> Express, with an open development model and full community
>>>>> participation."
>>>>>
>>>>> James, shutting up the mouth of others does not fit in that
>>>>> description.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to help, and expecting some basic politeness wasn't really
>>>>> much to ask. Terms such as Open- or community don't really fit such an
>>>>> attitude.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>> Gab
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz
>>>>> <gabriel.delacruz at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, if please don't help. no help then.
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM, James
>>>>>> O'Gorman<james at netinertia.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 Oct 2010, at 17:07, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like as well other variations such as "Indiana CORE". That will
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> if we intend this distro to be the mother-ship distro, and we intend
>>>>>>>> others to derive from it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Illumos is the "core". We are a distribution of Illumos. Other
>>>>>>> distributions should also be derived from Illumos, not from us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we drop all these name discussions now, please?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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