[OpenIndiana-discuss] Java 7

[Anil]

Was that before things like ZFS etc?

That happened to Sun because they were "donating" everything away, including
the source. Open source might increase community involvement, but won't
keep the boat afloat.

Finding the right price isn't my job, but all I can say is, I am not gong to
pay $800-$1000 per server (or something high like that) just for the OS...
if I were a big company, of course that's not an issue. If you are a SMB,
this might become a problem... Unfortunate for a lot of us, Oracle's target
customers are different! We just need another revolution in some technology,
and everyone will dump Oracle's enterprise-costs for the alternative (think
Solaris vs Linux).

Sun thought it could repeat history by offering a free OS like Linux, but it
couldn't. Sun at a later point had all the ingredients to actually charge
for things and people would still pay (e.g. ZFS/zones etc...) IMO.



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Linda Kateley <linda.kateley at nexenta.com>wrote:

> So sun tried that, it wasn't $99 but it was 349 for a year, for basically
> self support.. and sun ended up on the side of the street with a sign "will
> build os for food"
>
> Oracle will make you pay enterprise pricing for enterprise products, the
> idea of concept of enterprise is diminished by not charging appropriately.
>
>
> On 8/2/11 5:46 PM, Anil wrote:
>
>> For us the biggest issue is the price of the OS. We don't mind paying
>> something like $99/year/system or some thing of that sorts to run Solaris
>> (with patches). Sorry, support not required. Why can't Oracle do something
>> like that? What's it got to loose? The pricing they gave us was
>> ridiculous,
>> so we stopped using it.
>>
>> I always wondered why Sun couldn't do that... so it can pay it's bills.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Pablo Oddera<pablo.oddera at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Alan,
>>>
>>> Good links, but if you were going to emphasize that Oracle gave some code
>>> to
>>> the community, Microsoft gave the double. Even worst Oracle has
>>> "Unbreakable
>>> Linux (sic)", which is no more than a glorified clon of Red Hat (love Red
>>> Hat by the way). So in short, they gave up a little, steal a lot and
>>> close
>>> the source of everything that they can. That's really how Oracle "loves"
>>> the
>>> opensource!
>>>
>>> Being the kind of company Oracle is, the size of the Linux related
>>> projects,
>>> you would expect a little more from them. Red Hat gave an 11% of the
>>> code.
>>> Microsoft 4% and Oracle 2%
>>>
>>> This is not against you, but Oracle as a company is not committed to help
>>> the open source. I saw the link with your contribution and that's great,
>>> but
>>> that doesn't solve the bottom line for Oracle.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Alan Coopersmith<
>>> alan.coopersmith at oracle.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 08/02/11 11:49, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it is a nice licensing model, because Oracle is a business, not a
>>>>>>
>>>>> charity,
>>>>
>>>>> and it's first duty is to it's shareholders. Red Hat, IBM, Microsoft,
>>>>>>
>>>>> You cannot compare RH with Oracle and Microsoft. RH is selling support
>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> an OpenSource OS while Oracle and Microsoft have donated to the Open
>>>>>
>>>> Source
>>>>
>>>>> community almost nothing. RH had produced and donated pieces of
>>>>>
>>>> software,
>>>
>>>> but Oracle and Microsoft have done quite the opposite.
>>>>>
>>>> http://lwn.net/Articles/**451243/ <http://lwn.net/Articles/451243/> -
>>>> top employers of contributors to the
>>>> Linux 3.0
>>>> release cycle, by changeset includes both Microsoft (support for running
>>>> Linux
>>>> as a guest in Microsoft HyperV) and Oracle (btrfs&  general kernel
>>>>
>>> tuning).
>>>
>>>> http://oss.oracle.com/ - Oracle's contributions to Linux&  other open
>>>> source
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.**php?page=news_item&px=OTE1MQ<http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE1MQ>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>        -Alan Coopersmith-        alan.coopersmith at oracle.com
>>>>         Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System
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