[OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion

Thu Sep 29 07:16:47 UTC 2016

Hi,

I wouldn't consider OpenIndiana beta or alpha. There are people outvthere using it for serious stuff. Back in the days, it had a lot of users on servers, esp. storages and servers. As things went, some people migrated to OmniOS/SmartOS or even Linux with ZoL or FreeBSD. 

illumos has very nice technologies and the integration between them is great experience, but not many people sre interested in. People are happy with "good enough" as Linux (that´s the reality). Also, certain areas of the system hasn't seen innovations since 2010.

Rolling release model is great for developers / experienced users who are not afraid of dealing with problems (the model works basically the same ad on Archlinux).

Are sunrays your only usecase for OI?

Cheers,
Adam

> On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:39, Hans J Albertsson <hans.j.albertsson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Please NO!
> Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details about
> how to use the isos!
> 
> The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana was
> always a beta or even alpha!
> 
> Hans J. Albertsson
> From my Nexus 5
> 
> Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" <openbabel at gmail.com>:
> 
>> I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential
>> users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the
>> appropriate celestrial name?
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you
>>> show.
>>> 
>>> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, with
>>> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna server
>>> using ffmpeg for transcoding.
>>> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes.
>>> 
>>> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't
>>> imagine
>>> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience occasionally
>>> includes reasonable usefulness.
>>> 
>>> Hans J. Albertsson
>>> From my Nexus 5
>>> 
>>> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" <cpforum at orange.fr>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02
>>>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson"
>>>>> A : openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org
>>>>> Copie à :
>>>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes
>>>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice
>>>>> things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No warnings on the Release Notes page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the
>>>>> intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and
>>>>> Gnome....
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand
>>>>> the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth
>>>>> trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"?
>>>>> 
>>>> On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add
>>>> some package to make it
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a script for that.
>>>> 
>>>> =========
>>>> #!/bin/ksh
>>>> 
>>>> #
>>>> # Compléments Gnome
>>>> #
>>>> 
>>>> pkg install \
>>>> system/install/locale \
>>>> image/gnome-backgrounds \
>>>> gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \
>>>> gnome/media/sound-recorder \
>>>> desktop/keepassx \
>>>> image/viewer/gthumb \
>>>> image/editor/inkscape \
>>>> image/webcam/cheese \
>>>> web/editor/bluefish \
>>>> editor/diagram/dia \
>>>> image/scanner/xsane \
>>>> image/editor/gimp
>>>> 
>>>> #
>>>> # Multimédia
>>>> #
>>>> 
>>>> pkg set-publisher \
>>>> -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered
>>>> 
>>>> pkg refresh --full
>>>> pkg install \
>>>> media/vlc \
>>>> gstreamer/plugin/bad \
>>>> gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \
>>>> gstreamer/plugin/ugly \
>>>> library/video/libdvdcss
>>>> 
>>>> #
>>>> # Bureautique
>>>> #
>>>> 
>>>> pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih
>>>> pkg install \
>>>> pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \
>>>> pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \
>>>> desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \
>>>> desktop/application/libreoffice4
>>>> 
>>>> ===========
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard
>>>>> toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further
>>>>> packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic
>>>>> desktop or media server experience??
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the
>>>>> 2016.04 ISO as well???
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro
>>>>> to the next Hipster ISO distro?
>>>>> Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation
>>>>> package magic to use the IPS server for that??
>>>>> 
>>>>> I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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