[OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

Thu Jan 7 18:44:01 UTC 2021

Hello everybody,

I'm not in the position of propose something or provide some insight to this
topic since I've started contributing to OI just in recent three months. But
I can say that I don't lack spirit, yet I do lack experience and knowledge. 
My backgroud isn't IT, I'm not familiar with C family languages and 
everything is new to me. It takes me forever to prepare propper PR. I'm able
to contribute just because I can choose what to do and when something doesn'
t work, I can abandon it. 

Therefore, if the projects merged, I wouldn't be able to contribute in any 
way since I hardly know what I'm doing when things are stable in OI.

What I'm trying to say is that just because somebody contributes to some 
project doesn't necessarily mean that this person is developer to be count 
on. I'm affraid that on OI side, the work would heavily lie on a few (if not
one) experienced delevopers. 

Nona

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Od: Guenther Alka <alka at hfg-gmuend.de>
Komu: openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org
Datum: 7. 1. 2021 18:53:56
Předmět: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

"I also own a project with mainly me and a few contributors (napp-it). 
It's not the number of devs but the spirit to do something that matters. 

You exactly point to the essential point. 
With not enough people working on something not paid for doing without 
hope and energy your only choices are sudden death (if you are the last 
one to leave, please switch off the light) or slow death (nobody 
discovered that you are already dead). 

As I have used Solaris, OpenSolaris, NexentaCore and now use OmniOS and 
OI, I would miss OI nearly as most as I would miss OmniOS. With only a 
few people working on something it is a matter of surviving to bundle 
work and not to do everything twice. OmniOS has a commercial background 
that may help but there are also not too many devs for an OpenSource OS. 

If all efforts in a free Solaris can be combined, its future is better 
than when you seperate them additionally without real reason. 

Gea 

Am 07.01.2021 um 18:23 schrieb Andreas Wacknitz: 
> Am 07.01.21 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka: 
>> Not broken as it never worked 
>> (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest beta 
>> base). 
>> 
>> OI currently: always and only newest beta based 
>> so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work - 
>> unsure about the needed efforts) 
>> 
>> When I remember the first steps of OpenIndiana, the lack of a stable 
>> was a constant item on all meetings. 
>> 
>> When OmniOS started they first tried to use OpenIndiana as base what 
>> was more or less OpenSolaris at that time with too many dependencies. 
>> Then Illumos started as a minimalistic OS based on OpenSolaris and 
>> OmniOS used this as base. Now as OI is pure Illumos as base and OmniOS 
>> is more or less pure Illumos freezed in a fork per release there is no 
>> real reason to have two bases and two software repositories for 
>> different use cases with the problem for OI that the underlying 
>> Illumos can change from day to day. 
>> 
>> Gea 
> You don't seem to have read my former answers, so I will retry: 
> 
> The most important answer you have to give is: Who will do the necessary 
> work? 
> 
> Actual numbers: 
> 
> Number of active OI maintainers: <single digit natural number> 
> Number of active OI maintainers with commit rights: 1 
> Number of testers (not also being a maintainer): 1 
> Number of admins (not also being a maintainer with commit rights): 0 
> 
> 
> More questions you should answer as a business man: 
> - Do you have an estimation of the needed efforts, eg. for creating a 
> minimal version (tdb!) of what you propose? 
> - What are you willing to spend to start/support these efforts? 
> 
> 
> We need to increase all the numbers I presented above before it makes 
> even sense to discuss a change like you are proposing! 
> OI is an open source project without any company background and without 
> anybody getting money for what he/she is doing! 
> 
> As I wrote before: We don't lack good ideas, we lack people doing actual 
> work! 
> 
> 
> Andreas 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Am 07.01.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Chris: 
>>> On 2021-01-07 06:02, Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss wrote: 
>>>> Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the OpenSolarish 
>>>> community. If 
>>>> merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth 
>>>> it. And you guys 
>>>> have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea 
>>>> taken up again. It 
>>>> seems that several of you think this is the only way forward, in the 
>>>> long run. 
>>>> This is what we want to do. Base a desktop package ontop OmniOS 
>>>> stable (or LTS). I 
>>>> am interested in helping such an effort. 
>>>> Some people say yay, some say nay. Should we create a poll, to see 
>>>> how large the 
>>>> interest is? 
>>> 
>>> I vote: NAY. 
>>> There is no need to fix what is not broken. 
>>> 
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