[OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

[Aurélien Larcher]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 6:23 PM Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wacknitz at gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 07.01.21 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka:
> > Not broken as it never worked
> > (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest beta
> > base).
> >
> > OI currently: always and only newest beta based
> > so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work -
> > unsure about the needed efforts)
> >
> > When I remember the first steps of OpenIndiana, the lack of a stable
> > was a constant item on all meetings.
> >
> > When OmniOS started they first tried to use OpenIndiana as base what
> > was more or less OpenSolaris at that time with too many dependencies.
> > Then Illumos started as a minimalistic OS based on OpenSolaris and
> > OmniOS used this as base. Now as OI is pure Illumos as base and OmniOS
> > is more or less pure Illumos freezed in a fork per release there is no
> > real reason to have two bases and two software repositories for
> > different use cases with the problem for OI that the underlying
> > Illumos can change from day to day.
> >
> > Gea
> You don't seem to have read my former answers, so I will retry:
>
> The most important answer you have to give is: Who will do the necessary
> work?
>
> Actual numbers:
>
> Number of active OI maintainers: <single digit natural number>
> Number of active OI maintainers with commit rights: 1
> Number of testers (not also being a maintainer): 1
> Number of admins (not also being a maintainer with commit rights): 0
>
>
> More questions you should answer as a business man:
> - Do you have an estimation of the needed efforts, eg. for creating a
> minimal version (tdb!) of what you propose?
> - What are you willing to spend to start/support these efforts?
>

I do not think starting from scratch to aim at building something right
here right now, but keeping a convergence with OmniOS on the overlap that
Joshua and Andy have mentioned should be a goal.

If we do not pay attention I am worried that we end up with an increasing
gap like on pkg5 (we are two Python versions behind Andy on pkg5).

There are areas when it comes to package maintenance where contributions
are welcome:
- Python (our build system is not flexible enough, too much manual work for
nothing)
- Boost
- Rust
- LLVM/Clang

Then only after Clang and Rust are updated we can consider updating Firefox
as many have requested.

Without valuable contributors like you, Nona, Rick, Jim, Till, it will be
hard to keep up.

I have tried to keep rebuilding the entire userland with GCC 10, my goal is
to have this done by the next snapshot.


>
>
> We need to increase all the numbers I presented above before it makes
> even sense to discuss a change like you are proposing!
> OI is an open source project without any company background and without
> anybody getting money for what he/she is doing!
>
> As I wrote before: We don't lack good ideas, we lack people doing actual
> work!
>
>
> Andreas
>
>
>
> >
> > Am 07.01.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Chris:
> >> On 2021-01-07 06:02, Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss wrote:
> >>> Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the OpenSolarish
> >>> community. If
> >>> merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth
> >>> it. And you guys
> >>> have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea
> >>> taken up again. It
> >>> seems that several of you think this is the only way forward, in the
> >>> long run.
> >>> This is what we want to do. Base a desktop package ontop OmniOS
> >>> stable (or LTS). I
> >>> am interested in helping such an effort.
> >>> Some people say yay, some say nay. Should we create a poll, to see
> >>> how large the
> >>> interest is?
> >>
> >> I vote: NAY.
> >> There is no need to fix what is not broken.
> >>
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