[OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

[Till Wegmueller]

So, to that question a bit of Background. OmniOS is more than just 
illumos and omni repo. It's also kayak and all their Projects. That is a 
huge amount of projects.

There was work to allow installation of omnios illumos-gate instead of 
illumos-gate by simply switching packages. That can work, because we 
have consolidations and metapackages that bundle illumos-gate into one 
tree of packages where everything depends on.

This work was started by Jim Klimov and me on the last FOSDEM but due to 
lack of experience with oi-userland and make it never went anywhere.

It's in PR https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/5528
If anyobody is actually interested in picking it up.

And a last not on illumos-gate and stability. Originally the patches 
omnios included into it's for of illumos-gate where still considered 
experimental/not yet ready to upstream.

Now we see people saying those experimental patches are more stable than 
the illumos-gate with stability guarantee in master. If anything is 
broken from illumos-gate it gets fixed very quickly. The problem all 
complaints are about packages from oi-userland not illumos-gate.

-Till

On 07.01.21 14:29, Guenther Alka wrote:
> I forgot
> 
> What is the problem to install either pure Illumos or a Illumos freeze 
> from OmniOS and use the OI repository additional to the core OmniOS and 
> OmniOS extra repository to use the additional options?
> 
> Where are the problems? Is this only to have same packages in different 
> repositories or that OI would need something similar to the OmniOS extra 
> repository when using Illumos to avoid conflicts? Maybe this can be 
> solved to allow a underlying pure ongoing Illumos or one of the three 
> OmniOS flavours.
> 
> Please educate me.
> 
> Gea
> 
> 
> Am 07.01.2021 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka:
>> Not broken as it never worked
>> (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest beta 
>> base).
>>
>> OI currently: always and only newest beta based
>> so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work - 
>> unsure about the needed efforts)
>>
>> When I remember the first steps of OpenIndiana, the lack of a stable 
>> was a constant item on all meetings.
>>
>> When OmniOS started they first tried to use OpenIndiana as base what 
>> was more or less OpenSolaris at that time with too many dependencies. 
>> Then Illumos started as a minimalistic OS based on OpenSolaris and 
>> OmniOS used this as base. Now as OI is pure Illumos as base and OmniOS 
>> is more or less pure Illumos freezed in a fork per release there is no 
>> real reason to have two bases and two software repositories for 
>> different use cases with the problem for OI that the underlying 
>> Illumos can change from day to day.
>>
>> Gea
>>
>> Am 07.01.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Chris:
>>> On 2021-01-07 06:02, Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss wrote:
>>>> Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the OpenSolarish 
>>>> community. If
>>>> merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth 
>>>> it. And you guys
>>>> have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea 
>>>> taken up again. It
>>>> seems that several of you think this is the only way forward, in the 
>>>> long run.
>>>> This is what we want to do. Base a desktop package ontop OmniOS 
>>>> stable (or LTS). I
>>>> am interested in helping such an effort.
>>>> Some people say yay, some say nay. Should we create a poll, to see 
>>>> how large the
>>>> interest is?
>>>
>>> I vote: NAY.
>>> There is no need to fix what is not broken.
>>>
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