[OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

Thu Jan 7 21:05:04 UTC 2021

Please ignore my lack of knowledge if I am not correct or simplify too much.

As far as I know kayak is a tool to setup OmniOS. I do not use. I 
download either the OI or OmniOS installer, create a bootable dvd or USB 
stick from it and install the OS. When I use the OI text installer the 
result is quite identical to a OmniOS default setup.

What would happen if
- you use a current OI text setup with the default current OmniOS stable 
repository instead the OI repository
(update this every 6 months to next OmniOS repo on next regular OI iso 
or via an OI update)

After this OmniOS and OI should be quite identical even after a pkg update

- add the OmniOS extra repository with some server related packages (I 
mostly use smartmontools, nc and minIO)
this gives all tools that are supported by OmniOS (update every 6 months 
to next stable)

- add the OI repository (that contains all OI packages minus the ones 
from OmniOS default and extra)
- then install tools like Mate GUI, browser or Office

would this work and gives you the current OI user experience on top of a 
stable OmniOS base?

Gea

Am 07.01.2021 um 20:53 schrieb Till Wegmueller:
> So, to that question a bit of Background. OmniOS is more than just 
> illumos and omni repo. It's also kayak and all their Projects. That is 
> a huge amount of projects.
>
> There was work to allow installation of omnios illumos-gate instead of 
> illumos-gate by simply switching packages. That can work, because we 
> have consolidations and metapackages that bundle illumos-gate into one 
> tree of packages where everything depends on.
>
> This work was started by Jim Klimov and me on the last FOSDEM but due 
> to lack of experience with oi-userland and make it never went anywhere.
>
> It's in PR https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/5528
> If anyobody is actually interested in picking it up.
>
> And a last not on illumos-gate and stability. Originally the patches 
> omnios included into it's for of illumos-gate where still considered 
> experimental/not yet ready to upstream.
>
> Now we see people saying those experimental patches are more stable 
> than the illumos-gate with stability guarantee in master. If anything 
> is broken from illumos-gate it gets fixed very quickly. The problem 
> all complaints are about packages from oi-userland not illumos-gate.
>
> -Till
>
> On 07.01.21 14:29, Guenther Alka wrote:
>> I forgot
>>
>> What is the problem to install either pure Illumos or a Illumos 
>> freeze from OmniOS and use the OI repository additional to the core 
>> OmniOS and OmniOS extra repository to use the additional options?
>>
>> Where are the problems? Is this only to have same packages in 
>> different repositories or that OI would need something similar to the 
>> OmniOS extra repository when using Illumos to avoid conflicts? Maybe 
>> this can be solved to allow a underlying pure ongoing Illumos or one 
>> of the three OmniOS flavours.
>>
>> Please educate me.
>>
>> Gea
>>
>>
>> Am 07.01.2021 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka:
>>> Not broken as it never worked
>>> (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest 
>>> beta base).
>>>
>>> OI currently: always and only newest beta based
>>> so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work - 
>>> unsure about the needed efforts)
>>>
>>> When I remember the first steps of OpenIndiana, the lack of a stable 
>>> was a constant item on all meetings.
>>>
>>> When OmniOS started they first tried to use OpenIndiana as base what 
>>> was more or less OpenSolaris at that time with too many 
>>> dependencies. Then Illumos started as a minimalistic OS based on 
>>> OpenSolaris and OmniOS used this as base. Now as OI is pure Illumos 
>>> as base and OmniOS is more or less pure Illumos freezed in a fork 
>>> per release there is no real reason to have two bases and two 
>>> software repositories for different use cases with the problem for 
>>> OI that the underlying Illumos can change from day to day.
>>>
>>> Gea
>>>
>>> Am 07.01.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Chris:
>>>> On 2021-01-07 06:02, Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss wrote:
>>>>> Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the 
>>>>> OpenSolarish community. If
>>>>> merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth 
>>>>> it. And you guys
>>>>> have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea 
>>>>> taken up again. It
>>>>> seems that several of you think this is the only way forward, in 
>>>>> the long run.
>>>>> This is what we want to do. Base a desktop package ontop OmniOS 
>>>>> stable (or LTS). I
>>>>> am interested in helping such an effort.
>>>>> Some people say yay, some say nay. Should we create a poll, to see 
>>>>> how large the
>>>>> interest is?
>>>>
>>>> I vote: NAY.
>>>> There is no need to fix what is not broken.
>>>>
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