[OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

Wed Jan 20 22:04:28 UTC 2021

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 11:00 PM Chris <oidev at bsdos.info> wrote:

> On 2021-01-20 13:32, Aurélien Larcher wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris <oidev at bsdos.info> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote:
> >> > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for
> >> > making...:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote:
> >> >>> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for
> >> >>> making...:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I would love to have XFCE.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay
> >> royal to
> >> >>>> MATE.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You might want to review the mailing list archives for this mailing
> >> list
> >> >>> to get a clearer understanding of why that is.  It's been discussed
> >> >>> before.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If you or Chris or someone else builds an entire desktop environment
> >> >>> like Cinnamon and publishes a repo that is kept up to date, I would
> >> >>> definitely give it a try, at least in a VM.  If someone does this
> and
> >> >>> keeps it up to date for a long time and continues to contribute to
> OI,
> >> >>> I would probably use that as my main desktop environment.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just building it once, without a commitment to keeping it updated,
> >> isn't
> >> >>> good for anyone, though.
> >> >> TBH The only reason OI isn't my "daily driver" is the DE available.
> If I
> >> >> had XFCE (what I currently use), or better, Cinnamon. I'd have a hard
> >> time
> >> >> not using OI. Overall I like it better. But I'm (currently) pretty
> well
> >> >> committed to FreeBSD as maintainer of some 160 ports, and I create
> >> >> installs for all my servers && clients. I've been on BSD since Bill
> Joy
> >> >> forked 386BSD, and hacked on various NIX' before that. But if I could
> >> >> cobble up an OI I could justify as a "daily driver", and something I
> >> could
> >> >> recommend to my clients. I'd make the switch.
> >> >> Which brings me to why I initiated this thread. Since I need
> commitment
> >> >> to justfy *my* commitment. I thought I'd send out a "feeler" to see
> if
> >> >> there was any interest. Appears I'm not the only one. So I'm going to
> >> >> "take the plunge". I'll start gathering all the information I need to
> >> get
> >> >> all the dots in a line, so I can start production. Any pointers to
> help
> >> >> shorten the trajectory would be *greatly* appreciated. As well as
> >> keeping
> >> >> the wiki working. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > I'm indifferent to Xfce, but when you start working on Cinnamon and
> deps,
> >> > that's something that I would be happy to collaborate on and test.
> >> That's my *ideal* target. I really like working in Cinnamon, and want to
> >> transform my current workspace from XFCE to Cinnamon. So I'll definitely
> >> include you in the loop when I start on it. :-)
> >> >  oi-dev and the irc channels are your best source for help on porting,
> >> > and I've gotten good feedback in PRs where I've asked questions or
> been
> >> > stuck part way through updating or porting a package.
> >> >
> >> > Also, rather than the wiki, I would highly recommend
> >> >
> >> >       http://docs.openindiana.org/
> >> >
> >> > and then "HandBook->Building with oi-userland".  That's been migrated
> >> from
> >> > the old wiki page and updated and had some corrections and a few
> >> > clarifications added.  There may still be improvements that could be
> >> made,
> >> > so the
> >> > first few times through the process, please pay special attention
> >> > to places where that document misses information or appears incorrect.
> >> If
> >> > you mention the issues on oi-dev, I'll get PRs submitted (or you can,
> >> > if you fork the docs too) to try improve things.
> >> In all honesty; OI could *really* use some DOC love --
> >> consolidation/updating.
> >
> > I had a devil of a time discovering where the "truth" was located. It's
> >> currently
> >> fragmented, and out-of-date -- mind you, I'm not shaking my finger at
> >> anyone
> >> here.
> >> Just sharing my current struggle in this regard. If it were to get
> >> consolidated.
> >>
> > I think many more might feel inclined to get onboard w/OI.
> >>
> >
> > Trouble is that we called for contributions to migrate and enrich the new
> > documentation but it never gained momentum.
> I'd *love* to contribute to the DOCs. But early; while I've still got that
> "fresh" look at getting started on IO (development). I think it would lend
> itself to conveying the message to the unseasoned as well as the seasoned
> (OI) developers.
> Now. If I could only find the documentation on how to write/contribute OI
> DOCs, so I can start documenting... ;-)
> > I started writing a maintainer's guide on the Wiki before the migration
> but
> > have absolutely zero time to dedicate to its migration to the new doc
> > system.
> >
> > Alexander did move some pages to:
> >
> > https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/tree/oi/hipster/doc
> Good to know!
>

And a seminal maintainer's guide:

https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Maintainer's+Guide
in the form of a skeleton with short notes.

> Thanks to both you, *and* Alexander. :-)
> >
> >
> >> I'm currently using: https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland as my
> >> source
> >> of
> >> truth. Having been a (ports/package) maintainer on FreeBSD for some
> 10yrs.
> >> I'm
> >> finding it enough to read the shell framework to get up to speed. My
> only
> >> *personal*
> >> nit; is that it's largely bash(1) based. Maybe it's because I'm more
> used
> >> to
> >> sh(1).
> >> But I find bash to be a bit of a pig, by comparison. But I can get used
> to
> >> it
> >> -- or
> >> just rewrite all of it in sh(1). ;-)
> >>
> >> Tim, thank you *very* much for all the pointers, and support! :-)
> >> We'll be talking Cinnamon, real soon now. ;-)
> >>
> >> --Chris
> >> >
> >> > Tim
> --Chris
>
> --
>

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