[OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for making OI spins?

[Chris]

On 2021-01-20 13:32, Aurélien Larcher wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 10:19 PM Chris <oidev at bsdos.info> wrote:
> 
>> On 2021-01-20 12:47, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote:
>> > In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for
>> > making...:
>> >
>> >> On 2021-01-20 04:09, Tim Mooney via openindiana-discuss wrote:
>> >>> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] distribution constructor for
>> >>> making...:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I would love to have XFCE.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But as I know, the OI devs will not package other DEs. They stay
>> royal to
>> >>>> MATE.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can't found any other DE's packages on the repo.
>> >>>
>> >>> You might want to review the mailing list archives for this mailing
>> list
>> >>> to get a clearer understanding of why that is.  It's been discussed
>> >>> before.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you or Chris or someone else builds an entire desktop environment
>> >>> like Cinnamon and publishes a repo that is kept up to date, I would
>> >>> definitely give it a try, at least in a VM.  If someone does this and
>> >>> keeps it up to date for a long time and continues to contribute to OI,
>> >>> I would probably use that as my main desktop environment.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just building it once, without a commitment to keeping it updated,
>> isn't
>> >>> good for anyone, though.
>> >> TBH The only reason OI isn't my "daily driver" is the DE available. If I
>> >> had XFCE (what I currently use), or better, Cinnamon. I'd have a hard
>> time
>> >> not using OI. Overall I like it better. But I'm (currently) pretty well
>> >> committed to FreeBSD as maintainer of some 160 ports, and I create
>> >> installs for all my servers && clients. I've been on BSD since Bill Joy
>> >> forked 386BSD, and hacked on various NIX' before that. But if I could
>> >> cobble up an OI I could justify as a "daily driver", and something I
>> could
>> >> recommend to my clients. I'd make the switch.
>> >> Which brings me to why I initiated this thread. Since I need commitment
>> >> to justfy *my* commitment. I thought I'd send out a "feeler" to see if
>> >> there was any interest. Appears I'm not the only one. So I'm going to
>> >> "take the plunge". I'll start gathering all the information I need to
>> get
>> >> all the dots in a line, so I can start production. Any pointers to help
>> >> shorten the trajectory would be *greatly* appreciated. As well as
>> keeping
>> >> the wiki working. ;-)
>> >
>> > I'm indifferent to Xfce, but when you start working on Cinnamon and deps,
>> > that's something that I would be happy to collaborate on and test.
>> That's my *ideal* target. I really like working in Cinnamon, and want to
>> transform my current workspace from XFCE to Cinnamon. So I'll definitely
>> include you in the loop when I start on it. :-)
>> >  oi-dev and the irc channels are your best source for help on porting,
>> > and I've gotten good feedback in PRs where I've asked questions or been
>> > stuck part way through updating or porting a package.
>> >
>> > Also, rather than the wiki, I would highly recommend
>> >
>> >       http://docs.openindiana.org/
>> >
>> > and then "HandBook->Building with oi-userland".  That's been migrated
>> from
>> > the old wiki page and updated and had some corrections and a few
>> > clarifications added.  There may still be improvements that could be
>> made,
>> > so the
>> > first few times through the process, please pay special attention
>> > to places where that document misses information or appears incorrect.
>> If
>> > you mention the issues on oi-dev, I'll get PRs submitted (or you can,
>> > if you fork the docs too) to try improve things.
>> In all honesty; OI could *really* use some DOC love --
>> consolidation/updating.
> 
> I had a devil of a time discovering where the "truth" was located. It's
>> currently
>> fragmented, and out-of-date -- mind you, I'm not shaking my finger at
>> anyone
>> here.
>> Just sharing my current struggle in this regard. If it were to get
>> consolidated.
>> 
> I think many more might feel inclined to get onboard w/OI.
>> 
> 
> Trouble is that we called for contributions to migrate and enrich the new
> documentation but it never gained momentum.
I'd *love* to contribute to the DOCs. But early; while I've still got that
"fresh" look at getting started on IO (development). I think it would lend
itself to conveying the message to the unseasoned as well as the seasoned
(OI) developers.
Now. If I could only find the documentation on how to write/contribute OI
DOCs, so I can start documenting... ;-)
> I started writing a maintainer's guide on the Wiki before the migration but
> have absolutely zero time to dedicate to its migration to the new doc
> system.
> 
> Alexander did move some pages to:
> 
> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/tree/oi/hipster/doc
Good to know!
Thanks to both you, *and* Alexander. :-)
> 
> 
>> I'm currently using: https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland as my
>> source
>> of
>> truth. Having been a (ports/package) maintainer on FreeBSD for some 10yrs.
>> I'm
>> finding it enough to read the shell framework to get up to speed. My only
>> *personal*
>> nit; is that it's largely bash(1) based. Maybe it's because I'm more used
>> to
>> sh(1).
>> But I find bash to be a bit of a pig, by comparison. But I can get used to
>> it
>> -- or
>> just rewrite all of it in sh(1). ;-)
>> 
>> Tim, thank you *very* much for all the pointers, and support! :-)
>> We'll be talking Cinnamon, real soon now. ;-)
>> 
>> --Chris
>> >
>> > Tim
--Chris

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