[OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion

Thu Sep 29 09:11:35 UTC 2016

Hi,

are you interested in contributing in any way (testing, writing docs, code review, q&a..)?

Cheers,
Adam

> On 29 Sep 2016, at 10:56, Hans J Albertsson <hans.j.albertsson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sunrays is the only inescapable use case, but I definitely prefer oi to any
> of my other available choices for anything light enough to be handled in
> oi.
> 
> Hans J. Albertsson
> From my Nexus 5
> 
> Den 29 sep. 2016 09:17 skrev "Adam Števko" <adam.stevko at gmail.com>:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I wouldn't consider OpenIndiana beta or alpha. There are people outvthere
>> using it for serious stuff. Back in the days, it had a lot of users on
>> servers, esp. storages and servers. As things went, some people migrated to
>> OmniOS/SmartOS or even Linux with ZoL or FreeBSD.
>> 
>> illumos has very nice technologies and the integration between them is
>> great experience, but not many people sre interested in. People are happy
>> with "good enough" as Linux (that´s the reality). Also, certain areas of
>> the system hasn't seen innovations since 2010.
>> 
>> Rolling release model is great for developers / experienced users who are
>> not afraid of dealing with problems (the model works basically the same ad
>> on Archlinux).
>> 
>> Are sunrays your only usecase for OI?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:39, Hans J Albertsson <hans.j.albertsson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please NO!
>>> Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details about
>>> how to use the isos!
>>> 
>>> The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana
>> was
>>> always a beta or even alpha!
>>> 
>>> Hans J. Albertsson
>>> From my Nexus 5
>>> 
>>> Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" <openbabel at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential
>>>> users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the
>>>> appropriate celestrial name?
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you
>>>>> show.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays,
>> with
>>>>> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna
>> server
>>>>> using ffmpeg for transcoding.
>>>>> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't
>>>>> imagine
>>>>> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience
>> occasionally
>>>>> includes reasonable usefulness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hans J. Albertsson
>>>>> From my Nexus 5
>>>>> 
>>>>> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" <cpforum at orange.fr>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02
>>>>>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson"
>>>>>>> A : openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org
>>>>>>> Copie à :
>>>>>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly
>> includes
>>>>>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No warnings on the Release Notes page.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the
>>>>>>> intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE
>> and
>>>>>>> Gnome....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand
>>>>>>> the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well
>> worth
>>>>>>> trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to
>> add
>>>>>> some package to make it
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here is a script for that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>> #!/bin/ksh
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Compléments Gnome
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> pkg install \
>>>>>> system/install/locale \
>>>>>> image/gnome-backgrounds \
>>>>>> gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \
>>>>>> gnome/media/sound-recorder \
>>>>>> desktop/keepassx \
>>>>>> image/viewer/gthumb \
>>>>>> image/editor/inkscape \
>>>>>> image/webcam/cheese \
>>>>>> web/editor/bluefish \
>>>>>> editor/diagram/dia \
>>>>>> image/scanner/xsane \
>>>>>> image/editor/gimp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Multimédia
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> pkg set-publisher \
>>>>>> -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> pkg refresh --full
>>>>>> pkg install \
>>>>>> media/vlc \
>>>>>> gstreamer/plugin/bad \
>>>>>> gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \
>>>>>> gstreamer/plugin/ugly \
>>>>>> library/video/libdvdcss
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Bureautique
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih
>>>>>> pkg install \
>>>>>> pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \
>>>>>> pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \
>>>>>> desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \
>>>>>> desktop/application/libreoffice4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most
>> standard
>>>>>>> toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further
>>>>>>> packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic
>>>>>>> desktop or media server experience??
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in
>> the
>>>>>>> 2016.04 ISO as well???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO
>> distro
>>>>>>> to the next Hipster ISO distro?
>>>>>>> Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some
>> consolidation
>>>>>>> package magic to use the IPS server for that??
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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