[OpenIndiana-discuss] Just get Pale Moon

[Hung Nguyen Gia]

You don't have to. I'm bored talking with people doesn't hear me.

And I also said everything I could say. The decision is up to you.

No need to kick my ass out of this list.

---- On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:25:29 +0700 Aurélien Larcher <aurelien.larcher at gmail.com> wrote ----

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 > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:12 PM Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss <openindiana-discuss at openindiana.org> wrote:
 > I have no power to make decisions. But I will show you what I mean when I said SANE or INSANE.
 >  
 >  First, we have to know where we are. The glory of Solaris has faded to the past.
 >  
 >  Today, we are even inferior to FreeBSD! Honestly speaking, if someone wanted to build a server, both for normal or storage purpose, I would recommend them to use FreeBSD.
 >  
 >  FreeBSD got their ZFS from Illumos, right. But today, FreeBSD's ZFS is more easy to use and more stable than Illumos!
 >  
 >  Not to mention initiative like ZoF. You are left behind. Yes, I know you will going to go to OpenZFS 2.0, too.
 >  
 >  Since there is no where else you could go. You don't have the ability to maintain ZFS yourself.
 >  
 >  Then the only way is to rely on Linux people's work, ZoL, with a fancy rename to be OpenZFS 2.0, nothing other than ZoL with a bunch of #ifdef for other minor OSes.
 >  
 >  Yes, you are now being a minor OSes. Accept it or not, you are no longer upstream. Do you feel any shame when it's all reversed? From being upstream, now just a downstream minority only able to going thanks to the mercy of the Linux guys?
 >  
 >  Not to mention, if it's about a desktop system, what OI is for, OI is completely inferior to FreeBSD.
 >  
 >  Just download GhostBSD, compare, and see.
 >  
 >  The BSDs could reject Pale Moon, because they have PLENTY of alternatives. They have working Firefox, some of them even Chromium.
 >  
 >  What do you have now? Are you in a place you could do as them? No way!
 >  
 >  Do you able to show me even just a preview version of the Firefox you are working on?
 >  
 >  You can't, do you?
 >  
 >  It's SANE to just import Pale Moon into the encumbered repo. They are plenty of software they install to /opt, doesn't it? Just put Pale Moon and all of their sh8t shipped libraries there and no one care.
 >  
 >  It's INSANE when you don't know what you are and where you are but act as like you have plenty of choices when indeed you have NONE. You are not any less ARROGANT than the Pale Moon devs. I think it can only be MORE than them.
 >  
 >  Accept that you are LOSER, and do your best to get back to your place, it's what SANE people do.
 >  
 >  INSANE people talk very much about discipline, 'quality standard', bla bla... but indeed can deliver nothing! Proving wrong very easy, give me a preview of your Firefox! But I know, you can't.
 > 
 > Hi,
 > there is probably no question that illumos is a minor OS when it comes to the size of the community; hardware support and software availability is therefore more limited than systems backed by big companies and a few hundred developers.
 > 
 > However until now this small community has always been courteous and friendly.
 > 
 > Could you please make your point in a less offensive manner and possibly be more constructive?
 > 
 > These mailing lists are a place for people exchanging ideas and providing help, not for arsonists.
 > 
 > If you cannot cool your jets you'll be sent off the pitch for one week.
 > 
 > Kind regards,
 > 
 > Aurélien
 > 
 > 
 > 
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 > 
 > 
 > ---- On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 17:00:16 +0700 Volker A. Brandt <vab at bb-c.de> wrote ----
 >  
 >   > > All of your so called 'quality standard' are just pure BS. 
 >   > > 
 >   > >  > Buf if you really want to act like a boss and have Pale Moon on OI as 
 >   > >  > your wish, consider DM-ing me? I think I can arrange that for you -- if 
 >   > >  > you pay me will enough, of course. 
 >   > >  > 
 >   > > 
 >   > > I don't want to be boss. The fact is I suffered from such people on my real life. 
 >   > > 
 >   > > But frankly speaking, your team needs more people like that. At least they are SANE. 
 >   >  
 >   > With your superior intellect, and your sharp powers of observation, in a 
 >   > matter of days, you have identified many of the problems the incompetent 
 >   > and insane OI devs have failed to fix for years. 
 >   >  
 >   > Congratulations! 
 >   >  
 >   > So which one are you going to start working on first? 
 >   >  
 >   >  
 >   > Regards -- Volker 
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