[OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] [discuss] Making OI friendly to new users
Till Wegmüller
toasterson at gmail.com
Sun Aug 17 15:21:59 UTC 2025
Hi Reg, many thanks!
I set those up a couple months ago, It's an offering from the
OpenCollective Organisation to handle such things for groups that have
no own Org or Association. Handling the Legal background for them. I was
at their event on FOSDEM. I think the offering is around for some time
so it's quite mature to handle things properly. And it also has
transparent Bookeeping for everyone, where you can see what has been
withdrawn when.
-Till
On 17.08.25 16:57, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote:
> Till,
>
> I just signed up as a $100/month sponsor.
>
> Kudos to whoever set up the donation link and including PayPal. That was an excellent experience.
>
>
> Have Fun!
> Reg
>
> On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 04:21:10 AM CDT, Till Wegmüller <toasterson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Since we have no Association yet we have no Accounting Reports yet.
> Appart from the Server costs which is part a sponsoring from Krystal
> (fromerly Everycity) and part payed by me, Theophile, Nahum and Iggy
> there is nothing to Account for yet. We are planning on making some
> development work payed but that has not started yet. After that you will
> probably see Amount allocated per project but I don't know if that helps
> you much to decide about allocating funds.
>
> Hope that helps with the layout of things at the moment
> We do have small donation pages up at
> https://opencollective.com/openindiana where you can help redice the
> amount I pay for server costs and ohave proper book keeping. At the
> moment Two thirds of the 350EUR a month is payed by me and one third by
> Theo. Any contribution helps.
>
> Till
>
> On 16.08.25 04:10, Atiq Rahman wrote:
>> Hi Till,
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> > I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue
>> For me, this has been an issue. At present, the OI installer does not
>> present an option to install in UEFI system without dedicating a whole
>> disk to it.
>>
>> As a workaround, I am choosing /Install_to_ExistingPool/ by pressing F5.
>> If you are following mailing lists you're probably seeing I am
>> reinventing the wheel: manually taking care of stuff the installer is
>> not doing when that option is chosen.
>>
>> New users might not have that much energy to go through all that to add
>> an OS (or they might call it distro) to their portable device.
>>
>> Also, for new contributors (on donation or funding side of the
>> foundation), where is the info related to the budget, for example, how
>> is budget allocated? How much appox. was spent on what part of the
>> products from prior funding? These info will help me understand how much
>> I should contribute or whether the plan will actually improve things we
>> are interested in and in reasonable time line. Because right now,
>> critical TODO tasks seem to be significantly delayed, if this is how it
>> continues prospect doesn't look good.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Atiq
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 3:04 AM Till Wegmüller <toasterson at gmail.com
>> <mailto:toasterson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue or the Proxmox one. I am not
>> always listening on all Lists, but we are trying to build a Association
>> with Stakeholders for that effort like the FreeBSD foundation. If you
>> are interested in signing up let me know so I can send you the details.
>> I kept things like the Bylaw drafts etc off list but I am happy to send
>> them through.
>>
>> -Till
>>
>> On 13.08.25 04:06, Eric J Bowman wrote:
>> > These responses prove OP's point exactly. Want gfx? Refer to the
>> manual
>> > on how to write your own driver, despite the problem being NV
>> Optimus
>> > cards "fall off the bus" because loader doesn't map above 4GB,
>> making it
>> > not a driver issue. Where's the guidance from the community,
>> other than
>> > go figure this out for yourself but don't bother us unless you
>> have code
>> > to commit, then if you get stuck... maybe this is why so few
>> developers?
>> > Maybe a 15-year out-of-date graphics stack is an argument against
>> > continuing largely as you have?
>> >
>> > Hard to work on the kernel when none of the distros boot on non-CSM
>> > UEFI, or the latest Proxmox, no Ventoy et al compatibility because
>> > it's /EFI not /efi... maybe those of you who know what the issues
>> are
>> > can write them down and solicit some specific help? Instead of
>> sending
>> > everyone who asks on a wild goose chase while you play the victim
>> card
>> > of "too few developers here"? Just say up front: No AMD gfx, no
>> Intel
>> > HD630+, no NV Optimus, no UEFI-only boxes need apply, instead of
>> > whatever compels all y'all to just keep ignoring folks who post
>> to your
>> > list, or giving them misleading answers...?
>> >
>> > Or just state outright, that the stakeholders who control access
>> aren't
>> > interested in making illumos friendly to new users in 2025, meaning
>> > it'll be gone by 2030 if y'all keep this up.
>> >
>> > -Eric
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---- On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 17:01:38 -0700 *Ren Kararou via illumos-
>> discuss
>> > <discuss at lists.illumos.org <mailto:discuss at lists.illumos.org>>*
>> wrote ---
>> >
>> > You may say "ah, but I am not a kernel developer, I can
>> not do those
>> > things"! But the kernel is just a big C program, and
>> everybody
>> > who is
>> > comfortable working on it now started out from a point where
>> > they were
>> > not yet able to do that.
>> >
>> > If you want to see progress, pick an issue and work on
>> it. Other
>> > folks in the community can provide advice and help you if
>> you get
>> > stuck! Otherwise, things will continue largely as they have.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tacking on to this, the illumos website has lots of valuable
>> > documentation on this exact topic, generally at https://
>> illumos.org/ <https://illumos.org/>
>> > books/ <https://illumos.org/books/ <https://illumos.org/
>> books/>> and more specifically for
>> > drivers and such at https://illumos.org/books/wdd/
>> preface.html <https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html>
>> > <https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html#preface <https://
>> illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html#preface>>
>> >
>> > Ren
>> > *illumos <https://illumos.topicbox.com/latest <https://
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