[OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] [discuss] Making OI friendly to new users
Till Wegmüller
toasterson at gmail.com
Sun Aug 17 15:49:57 UTC 2025
Speaking of making OI more friendly for new users. what would
incentivise people to make packages?
-Till
On 17.08.25 16:57, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss wrote:
> Till,
>
> I just signed up as a $100/month sponsor.
>
> Kudos to whoever set up the donation link and including PayPal. That was an excellent experience.
>
>
> Have Fun!
> Reg
>
> On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 04:21:10 AM CDT, Till Wegmüller <toasterson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Since we have no Association yet we have no Accounting Reports yet.
> Appart from the Server costs which is part a sponsoring from Krystal
> (fromerly Everycity) and part payed by me, Theophile, Nahum and Iggy
> there is nothing to Account for yet. We are planning on making some
> development work payed but that has not started yet. After that you will
> probably see Amount allocated per project but I don't know if that helps
> you much to decide about allocating funds.
>
> Hope that helps with the layout of things at the moment
> We do have small donation pages up at
> https://opencollective.com/openindiana where you can help redice the
> amount I pay for server costs and ohave proper book keeping. At the
> moment Two thirds of the 350EUR a month is payed by me and one third by
> Theo. Any contribution helps.
>
> Till
>
> On 16.08.25 04:10, Atiq Rahman wrote:
>> Hi Till,
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> > I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue
>> For me, this has been an issue. At present, the OI installer does not
>> present an option to install in UEFI system without dedicating a whole
>> disk to it.
>>
>> As a workaround, I am choosing /Install_to_ExistingPool/ by pressing F5.
>> If you are following mailing lists you're probably seeing I am
>> reinventing the wheel: manually taking care of stuff the installer is
>> not doing when that option is chosen.
>>
>> New users might not have that much energy to go through all that to add
>> an OS (or they might call it distro) to their portable device.
>>
>> Also, for new contributors (on donation or funding side of the
>> foundation), where is the info related to the budget, for example, how
>> is budget allocated? How much appox. was spent on what part of the
>> products from prior funding? These info will help me understand how much
>> I should contribute or whether the plan will actually improve things we
>> are interested in and in reasonable time line. Because right now,
>> critical TODO tasks seem to be significantly delayed, if this is how it
>> continues prospect doesn't look good.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Atiq
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 3:04 AM Till Wegmüller <toasterson at gmail.com
>> <mailto:toasterson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue or the Proxmox one. I am not
>> always listening on all Lists, but we are trying to build a Association
>> with Stakeholders for that effort like the FreeBSD foundation. If you
>> are interested in signing up let me know so I can send you the details.
>> I kept things like the Bylaw drafts etc off list but I am happy to send
>> them through.
>>
>> -Till
>>
>> On 13.08.25 04:06, Eric J Bowman wrote:
>> > These responses prove OP's point exactly. Want gfx? Refer to the
>> manual
>> > on how to write your own driver, despite the problem being NV
>> Optimus
>> > cards "fall off the bus" because loader doesn't map above 4GB,
>> making it
>> > not a driver issue. Where's the guidance from the community,
>> other than
>> > go figure this out for yourself but don't bother us unless you
>> have code
>> > to commit, then if you get stuck... maybe this is why so few
>> developers?
>> > Maybe a 15-year out-of-date graphics stack is an argument against
>> > continuing largely as you have?
>> >
>> > Hard to work on the kernel when none of the distros boot on non-CSM
>> > UEFI, or the latest Proxmox, no Ventoy et al compatibility because
>> > it's /EFI not /efi... maybe those of you who know what the issues
>> are
>> > can write them down and solicit some specific help? Instead of
>> sending
>> > everyone who asks on a wild goose chase while you play the victim
>> card
>> > of "too few developers here"? Just say up front: No AMD gfx, no
>> Intel
>> > HD630+, no NV Optimus, no UEFI-only boxes need apply, instead of
>> > whatever compels all y'all to just keep ignoring folks who post
>> to your
>> > list, or giving them misleading answers...?
>> >
>> > Or just state outright, that the stakeholders who control access
>> aren't
>> > interested in making illumos friendly to new users in 2025, meaning
>> > it'll be gone by 2030 if y'all keep this up.
>> >
>> > -Eric
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---- On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 17:01:38 -0700 *Ren Kararou via illumos-
>> discuss
>> > <discuss at lists.illumos.org <mailto:discuss at lists.illumos.org>>*
>> wrote ---
>> >
>> > You may say "ah, but I am not a kernel developer, I can
>> not do those
>> > things"! But the kernel is just a big C program, and
>> everybody
>> > who is
>> > comfortable working on it now started out from a point where
>> > they were
>> > not yet able to do that.
>> >
>> > If you want to see progress, pick an issue and work on
>> it. Other
>> > folks in the community can provide advice and help you if
>> you get
>> > stuck! Otherwise, things will continue largely as they have.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tacking on to this, the illumos website has lots of valuable
>> > documentation on this exact topic, generally at https://
>> illumos.org/ <https://illumos.org/>
>> > books/ <https://illumos.org/books/ <https://illumos.org/
>> books/>> and more specifically for
>> > drivers and such at https://illumos.org/books/wdd/
>> preface.html <https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html>
>> > <https://illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html#preface <https://
>> illumos.org/books/wdd/preface.html#preface>>
>> >
>> > Ren
>> > *illumos <https://illumos.topicbox.com/latest <https://
>> illumos.topicbox.com/latest>>* / illumos-discuss /
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